Could it be, a new valve?

[snoopay700]

Well i wanted to see what you guys thought about this idea, a new valve for a mag setup (not a mag valve though) that you can just put on any frame with an electronically actuated three way? Like an ego frame or something like that? I came up with an idea while trying to fall asleep last night, so i don't have anything drawn up, but i can see it in my head, and it should work, and should be fairly quiet.

This would also use AGD bolts, so you can put a level 10 in it and have it work exactly the same, or if i work out a way to use eyes, you can put in a level 7, so it should be able to be customized as much as a mag if you so wish.

Well now this brings me to your opinions, would you rather have that valve i described, or a completely new gun with it's own body and everything?

Also, would you guys prefer to use a vertical reg (it'll have one) to adjust your velocity, or would you rather have a screw in back to adjust it (i think this should work, but i'll have to wait until i have time to draw it up to see if it would work) sort of like the mag?

If you guys could give me your input on this so that i can see what exactly people want in a gun that would help me out a lot, and thanks in advance.

Also, if you don't like the whole idea of using AGD bolts, i can probably work out something better, just figured it would be cool to try to incorporate the mag in some way.

[Automagsam]

Well, I like the whole Idea of it not being a whole new gun, as it makes customization a whole lot easier, but as for you, you might want to make a gun by itself just because it would be your own creation. As for the velocity the screw in the back seems more practical to me, maybe that is just my opinion I don't know, but either way I wouldn't mind. Though as stated above it probably is best to make this for the mag as it makes customization a lot more user friendly. Keep it up!

[txaggie08]

If your going to machine it, do it with the MQ instead of a ram and three way. Simpler, and we know the concept worked...

[snoopay700]

If your going to machine it, do it with the MQ instead of a ram and three way. Simpler, and we know the concept worked...

The thing is it's not quite the same as an mq valve, and i really want to make something on my own. That's one reason why i'm looking into something other than an AGD bolt.

[Dirge]

As far as a bolt goes, have you looked into the Deadlywind Hollowpoint?

[Papa_Smurf]

As far as a bolt goes, have you looked into the Deadlywind Hollowpoint?

The what? Link to it?

[wetwrks]

The what? Link to it?

Try here dude:

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/5306/

[snoopay700]

As far as a bolt goes, have you looked into the Deadlywind Hollowpoint?

Hmm, could work, but i really want a spring return or something, but i can think of how to do it with that bolt i think. Don't know whether it would be worth the effort though.

[Dirge]

I just like the simplicity of the design. A marker dedicated to the design would be pretty decent (in my warped opinion anyway....).

[warbeak2099]

If you can get this done and made I think a lot of us would be interested. Now make this and get some pics/vids!

[snoopay700]

If you can get this done and made I think a lot of us would be interested. Now make this and get some pics/vids!

Need a few things before i do that, among which are a lathe and an ego frame, both of which i don't have funds for. I've got the idea all worked out and i've got a design for mech and one for electro (mainly the electro can have the velocity adjuster in back, the mech would be more complicated and such and if you held the trigger it would spew air down the barrel). Basically this idea is probably my best and most sound design yet, but it'll take a while before i have the resources to make it.

[snoopay700]

Well i had plenty of time after my german final today so i drew up a design and there are two options. Basically it will most likely be substantially shorter than the mag valve (unless you guys would want a valve that operates at a lower pressure than the mag, since i'm making the dump chamber around the same size) and it will be somewhat difficult unless i can talk to my physics teacher to get a second opinion and i find out that my original design still will work (saw what i think might be a flaw today, but then again i'm hoping i'm wrong). Also, i designed it so it could work with the hollow point bolt, which helps make it shorter (but you would need eyes so as not to chop).

So, that being said, would you rather have it use the hollow point or an AGD bolt, and would you rather just have something that bolts to an ego frame (and loads behind the trigger) or would you rather have a new valve for the mag that would essentially stop after the field strip screw? Looking at the easiest design the reg being the foregrip is probably the most sound design, but i could probably make a more complex one that had the adjuster in the back.

So let me know which you'd rather have, something that uses an agd rail (probably modded or something to make things easy) or a simple bolt on to the ego frame that you can get annoed (either can be, but this would be the valve and the rail, which would also be one piece, and the barrel would go over the rail and then go into the body, unlike the mag).

[warbeak2099]

I think the vert reg setup would be best.

[nevtangle]

A replacement valve for the mag would be cool. Something that still uses the lvl 10 bolt. Everyone knows that LP is better <sarcasm> so go for the LP.

[snoopay700]

Ok, if you think that the vert reg would be the better setup then let me ask you this, would you rather have it be the same size as the AGD valve and be LP so it can shoot a bit lower in the tank or would you want something smaller that ended at the field strip screw?

[Dark Side]

I wouldn't mind having the valve end at the field strip screw. That was prt of my redesign anyhow.

[nevtangle]

Ok, if you think that the vert reg would be the better setup then let me ask you this, would you rather have it be the same size as the AGD valve and be LP so it can shoot a bit lower in the tank or would you want something smaller that ended at the field strip screw?

Yeah keep it the same size as the current valve. This would make it possible to run at lower pressure? Everyone has a vertical grip now so why not have a reg there instead. That wouldn't bother me. Now for the emag this would be an issue.

[custar]

Everyone has a vertical grip now so why not have a reg there instead. That wouldn't bother me. Now for the emag this would be an issue.


Hardly, but for those of us who don't want a vertical grip, a female Stabilizer would work fine.

I would rather have the valve shoot deeper into the tank, regardless of the location of the regulator. How low do you think you can reduce the operating pressure?

Personally, I would rather go with the L10 compatible system. The Hollow Point bolt sells on the DW website at $55.00 and would require you to set up an electro system. Going with the L10 bolt would be a little more but would allow either a mech or electro design and still retain anti-chop protection.

custar

[warbeak2099]

Ok, if you think that the vert reg would be the better setup then let me ask you this, would you rather have it be the same size as the AGD valve and be LP so it can shoot a bit lower in the tank or would you want something smaller that ended at the field strip screw?

Definitely shoot deeper into the tank. The mag already gets good efficiency shots per volume wise, but it just sucks that you can't shoot past 800psi.

[snoopay700]

Yeah keep it the same size as the current valve. This would make it possible to run at lower pressure? Everyone has a vertical grip now so why not have a reg there instead. That wouldn't bother me. Now for the emag this would be an issue.

To be completely honest with you...I don't know, i'll have to get a rough design drawn up to scale and then do some calculations to figure out just how low i could get it to run, but basically think of it like this, bigger volume equals lower pressure, if i had it end at the field strip screw it would operate at the same pressure as the mag dump chamber which is about 350 to 400 psi if i remember correctly, so it would get shoot deeper than a mag, higher volume would allow even deeper than that however.

Also, the whole thing about making it so that it can be mech or electro, the problem with that is it will use pnuematics, so it will have to be electro unless you want to train yourself to not short stroke it, it'll be the same weight either way probably though, but if you short stroke it it'll bloop a shot.

And besides, the hollow point would be if i was creating a whole new gun, but trust me, my design would work mech with the hollow point too, however there is then the issue of chopping, but a fast enough loader will take care of that.

[warbeak2099]

Dude, if you could leave the reg assembly on and get enough volume to shoot past 400psi... that would be amazing. I'd buy an electro Snoopay mag in a heartbeat.

[snoopay700]

Dude, if you could leave the reg assembly on and get enough volume to shoot past 400psi... that would be amazing. I'd buy an electro Snoopay mag in a heartbeat.

Hmm, think i like that name. The whole reg assembly won't be on the gun, that would require a completely different design, a fore grip reg would be easier, but then again, that's why i made this thread, to see what people wanted.

[snoopay700]

Well i measured my classic valve today and based off of that it seem feasible to have a dump chamber that is about 3 inches long and 7/8 to 1 inch in diameter, so with the 7/8 it could theoretically work at 120.8 psi (took about 60 psi at the end of the barrel which i think most guns average for a 10 inch unported barrel, maybe it's less or more, i can't remember, but just letting you know how i got these numbers). At 1 inch (which is getting risky with the walls being so thin, but could be feasible) it could operate at a pressure of 92.5 psi.

Keep in mind these are rough numbers, and are for ideal conditions, i'm not taking into account that air can be lost around the ball, or other problems that may arise, although i don't think that the bolt would go forward at this pressure because of the spring.

Anyway, those are the figures i came up with, if i did something wrong (like the pressure at the end of the barrel, i'm not sure about that) let me know, and also let me know what you think about this, this is for a valve that's the same size as the mag valve, although it can be shortened if people would prefer, i don't yet have figures for that because i'd have to draw up a new design.

[warbeak2099]

although i don't think that the bolt would go forward at this pressure because of the spring.


Easy, use a lighter spring.

[snoopay700]

Easy, use a lighter spring.

My problem is that i don't know if they make a spring light enough, and that's probably beyond my capabilities to produce. I know that i could get it to work with the hollow point hands down, but then there's the problem of no antichop possibilities for those that don't want or can't afford eyes, and that would call for a new body. Hmm, i'll have to look into this more.

[warbeak2099]

I wonder if anyone can suggest a source for purchasing different industrial use springs. We might be able to find one that would work perfectly.