Cyberave68's Magnet Mod...look here

[t0nnn]

Last night the man himself came over, and we finally threw on the magnet mods we have been working on for the past 3ish months. The pull is much snappier and just tight, it feels awesome.

cyberave ..funny lookin aint he?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/ERIK.jpg

The mod will be available for purchase from the guy above shortly

Today me n mongoose made another trip to the field and got some more air. And here's the results:

Both pneumags in the sun
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/Bothpneumags.jpg

Mine close up with the mod
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/th_rippp_divX.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/?action=view&current=rippp_divX.flv)

Me rippin on it
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/th_Tonyrip_divX.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/?action=view&current=Tonyrip_divX.flv)

Mongoose rippin on it & breakin a few balls :loser:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/th_Christianrip_divX.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/?action=view&current=Christianrip_divX.flv)

[Mechanic79]

that is totally awesome. I will have to get that kit for my pneumag when it's ready!:clap:

[longi]

looks interesting, how are they fitted?

[t0nnn]

There's an L bracket that we super glued to the msv. The magnet is glued on the tip of the adjustment screw. The other magnet is glued to a plastic block that is glued in the lever

[snoopay700]

How's it work?

[Cyberave68]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/Cyberave68/MAGMODDRAWING.jpg
Well i used 2 magents turned to oppose each other. One is set on a bracket with a screw so that you can adjust it to your feel being tighter or softer pull. The other magent is mounted to a spacer made to fit inside the lever of the MSV-2. Bothe parts are super glued in place. On the 2 guns i have this mod on so far the feel is incredible. It has a snappy return on it and helps alot on the chuffing part. the spring inside of the MSV-2 doesnt have enuff force to return the trigg as fast as all of us would like. So with this mod it helps ALOT!!!!

[Thanna]

Nice.:wthumpup: Guess I'll have to do this mod when I've got time. Thanks Cyberave.:cheers:

[snoopay700]

Interesting, perhaps this summer when i make my pneumag i might try this.

[flank]

the guns are lookin pretty good

[t0nnn]

yeppp i'll be using mine this weekend..it's never shot this good

[p8ntbal4me]

Cyber, t0nn, Mongoose;

Couple Q's:

1. Did you drill a hole in the back for the adjustment of the internal screw?

2. Are you making your own screws with magnets on them or are you using E-Mag HES/trigger screws?

~ P8nt

[Ninjeff]

So Cyber, i know you said it would be a bit till these are ready, but in chance i could maybe throw this mod in with my pneumag conversion here in a few weeks?

Maybe maybe huhhuhhuh?

[t0nnn]

Cyber, t0nn, Mongoose;

Couple Q's:

1. Did you drill a hole in the back for the adjustment of the internal screw?

2. Are you making your own screws with magnets on them or are you using E-Mag HES/trigger screws?

~ P8nt


There's no hole drilled in the back for the screw. I'd say the only flaw to this is that you really have to take the 3way out to adjust the magnets. It's to hard to try and squeeze your finger in and turn the screw and nut. Also, if you don't have the nut tight we found it will wiggle loose within a couple shots. It's a lot easier to get it tight when the 3way is out of the frame. Maybe this problem will be fixed with the next version, we were already talking about some ideas...cyber has a pretty fix for this I think.

We just superglued one on the end of the screw and the other on the block inside the lever. You can use any magnets you want pretty much, as long as you have them opposing eachother

[mongoose]

here is a before vid, that was made months ago without the magnet mod.
love the wife beater!:smarty:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/th_MVI_0461.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/?action=view&current=MVI_0461.flv)

big thing i noticed is the feel of the trigger was alot tighter making it easier to shoot ropes.
and we both noticed yesterday that the p-mags where alot more accurate then my mini :clap:

for the two tests that we have done so far...we used a RPG chimera frame on both and a RPG viperblade and splinter...both had a great feel.

[robnix]

has anyone thought about using this?

http://www.tunamart.com/index.php?c=42&p=375

[mongoose]

has anyone thought about using this?

http://www.tunamart.com/index.php?c=42&p=375

that is the same thing that is mounted on the bracket..just without the oring....which is not need at all.

[robnix]

that is the same thing that is mounted on the bracket..just without the oring....which is not need at all.

The screw on it is smaller than the ones I see in the videos.

[mongoose]

The screw on it is smaller than the ones I see in the videos.

you want a longer screw so you can adjust it to the desired pull.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/IMG_0475.jpg

by moving the magnet/screw it will increase/decrease the pull

[robnix]

you want a longer screw so you can adjust it to the desired pull.


by moving the magnet/screw it will increase/decrease the pull

I understand the concept and how it works. I have two triggers that use adjustable magnetics for returns and/firing as it is. The one thing that bothered me with the first pnuemag that I built was the lack of tactile feedback from the weak return the MSV-2 provides. So, I had already been thinking about doing something like this with Tunas mount because the size would make it easy to put it close to the arm, and adjustments could be made with an allen wrench. I was simply asking if anyone had thought about using that specific part.

[Ruler_Mark]

another methood for this, what i did in my epmag, is to drill a hole just behind the frame mount hole put a magnet there then tap the top of the trigger and use a screw that is attrached to it.

[Mechanic79]

Is there a way to incorporate the magnets directly inside the MSV-2 housing eliminating the spring return completely? Similar to a kila detent?

[t0nnn]

if you can adjust that easily with an allen key i'd say go for it. Like I said above that's one of the things we have to adress, it sucks having to take the msv out to adjust the magnets, but once you have them set you really don't have to touch it unless it comes loose

[t0nnn]

Is there a way to incorporate the magnets directly inside the MSV-2 housing eliminating the spring return completely? Similar to a kila detent?


you mean place one on the side of the msv2 and inside the lever like where I circled?

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/msv2_mags.jpg

[mongoose]

in my :twocents: this is the most simplest way to go about it..maybe with some tweaking...such as using a screw that you can adjust with a allen key.
and maybe even a tad shorter screw. so you do have some good points and ideas.

I dont see this upgrade being very expensive so a basic screw with magnet is all thats needed.

t0nnn, would you be able to move the magnets?

[Mechanic79]

yeah, something like that.

Well, i guess I'm just dissatisfied with the msv-2. Mine leaks fast out of both pin holes in the brass wether the trigger is firing or not. I took it apart and everything seems fine so I guess I'm blaming the crappy internals based on no science what-so-ever.:sticktongue:

Then thinking about ball detents, (springs vs. kila detents) and the magnet mod listed above gave me the idea to incorporate it all.

thanks for the response anyhow.:cheers:

[t0nnn]

maybe something like this? I like the idea, you just couldn't adjust it...but if it ends up being the right space inbetween the magnets you might be golden.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/msv2_mags-1.jpg

And what holes is your msv leaking from? Have you oiled it at all? If not put a drop or 2 in the "in" port and shoot a little, we oil ours up before we play everytime. We found that if you take the hose off, get an oring pick and put it in the nipple on an angle, drop a drop oil on the pick head going in the port and it will slide right in.

[BlueDragonX]

I assume people have tried, but would it be possible to put a stronger spring into the MSV-2? I'm not sure there would be enough room behind the lever to put a pair of magnets, and I don't think there would be a whole lot of adjustability...

On another note, has no one ever thought about building a custom valve specifically for pneu builds? It can't be that complex, hey? I might try it when it comes time for my build...

Heck, you could make it reset with air pressure if you wanted...I might start a thread on this :D

[t0nnn]

http://www.arowmic.com/portals/1/dw/videos/dw.hair.trigger.video.mpg

right there^^

Yeah there would be no way really to adjust the magnets by putting them in there, I was just doing it for sh*ts and giggles...but hey you never know. The more people try stuff the better our stuff is going to get

[mongoose]

springs were in some of the first ideas we had...but magnets just made more sense .

if your 3-way is leaking you might also have your lpr up too high.
i would air up the gun and turn the lpr all the way down . then slowly increase it untill it shoots, then give it just a 1/4 turn more maybe 1/2
hope this helps

[Mechanic79]

http://www.arowmic.com/portals/1/dw/videos/dw.hair.trigger.video.mpg

right there^^

Yeah there would be no way really to adjust the magnets by putting them in there, I was just doing it for sh*ts and giggles...but hey you never know. The more people try stuff the better our stuff is going to get

No actually mounting the magnets inside where the spring and piston sit. so it could be adjusted similar to a kila detent. eliminating the spring all together. i would think it would be adjustable via the screw that screws in to the brass block and/or using an oring to shim the magnet like an emag.

springs were in some of the first ideas we had...but magnets just made more sense .

if your 3-way is leaking you might also have your lpr up too high.
i would air up the gun and turn the lpr all the way down . then slowly increase it untill it shoots, then give it just a 1/4 turn more maybe 1/2
hope this helps

Well, before the msv-2 leaked. I had the ULT set up so I could shoot one finger as fast as possible, it just didn't have the response to walk which the MSV-2 was sticky.
It leaks all the time wether the LPR is turned all the way up or down. the gun still fires though. I removed the msv-2 to actuate it with out the trigger and rod. It leaks like mad all the time but it will still fire the gun.
Gun lays on the table, I hold the MSV-2 with one hand and hit the silver lever with my other hand. this happened out of the blue on my 6th air tank firing the gun.

[t0nnn]

I don't think you saw what I posted a few posts up but here...

Have you oiled it at all? If not put a drop or 2 in the "in" port and shoot a little, we oil ours up before we play everytime. We found that if you take the hose off, get an oring pick and put it in the nipple on an angle, drop a drop oil on the pick head going in the port and it will slide right in.

[Mechanic79]

I don't think you saw what I posted a few posts up but here...

Have you oiled it at all? If not put a drop or 2 in the "in" port and shoot a little, we oil ours up before we play everytime. We found that if you take the hose off, get an oring pick and put it in the nipple on an angle, drop a drop oil on the pick head going in the port and it will slide right in.

No, I totally missed that! sorry.

It leaks out of the two small pin holes on the brass block. it hisses something fierce. I lubed it up with DOW 33. I'm going to take it back apart and post pics of it to see if anyone can figure out what happened.

[t0nnn]

so it's leaking out of the exhaust ports? I never used dow33, we've always used gold cup or agd oil (same stuff). That's what we were told by the man cyberave and our 3ways haven't had any problems.

[Mechanic79]

so it's leaking out of the exhaust ports? I never used dow33, we've always used gold cup or agd oil (same stuff). That's what we were told by the man cyberave and our 3ways haven't had any problems.

I only put the dow 33 in AFTER it was leaking. I will take pics of this tonight and post. it's hard to explain with no pics. thanks for the responses

[Mechanic79]

SORRY FOR JACKING YOUR THREAD.

I can move all this and delete all my posts if you wish.

[mongoose]

that is a bad leak.
good thing is you can change the 3 way for little $

have you tried another 3-way?

[Cyberave68]

the question i have is how does the o-ring look???

[Mechanic79]

that is a bad leak.
good thing is you can change the 3 way for little $

have you tried another 3-way?
Not yet, but I will order one from Cyberave68

the question i have is how does the o-ring look???

The O-ring looks ok, but I really don't have anything to compare it to. it seems like it would seal well.

Just to reiterate, that leak started on my 6th air tank dry firing. The loud hiss stops when the lever is held down, and when I turn the LPR down the hiss goes away BUT the gun won't fire. It will fire once the reg is turned up and the MSV starts to leak again.

[Cyberave68]

OK NEXT QUESTION?

Do you have a ult on your valve?

[BigEvil]

Looks like the ram is having a tough time actuating the sear. It may be up too high. The ram should hit the sear let as low as you can make it. This give it more leverage. The leak is probably from over pressurizing the msv to get it to work.

[t0nnn]

I think he had the msv assembled wrong, he said this in the other thread:

well Papa Smurf, thanks for providing this picture. I now see I had the pin and spring in the wrong order!!! compare my pics to yours.

Thank you everyone else for thinking I had reassembled the MSV-2 properly! (me):slap:(all of you)
I used teflon tape to seal the brass screw.

I will remember my blunder always and forever.

I do think the magnet incorporated in the msv-2 or similar design would be very nice!

This is why I don't build anything and leave it to the talented. ^_^
Thank you all for watching this drama


If he made the video of it leaking while it was assembled like he had it, i'm guessing that's why it was leaking so bad

[Mechanic79]

I think he had the msv assembled wrong, he said this in the other thread:




If he made the video of it leaking while it was assembled like he had it, i'm guessing that's why it was leaking so bad

Yes that is true.
I am a :loser:
I now know HOW NOT to assemble the msv-2 :)

[mongoose]

Yes that is true.
I am a :loser:
I now know HOW NOT to assemble the msv-2 :)

lol...it happens and thats how we learn right!!!

at least its now fixed :cheers:

[Stayhuge]

Hi everyone, what do you use as a trigger pin? The one in the pic on the first page looks like its part of a screw. Is that for adjustment purposes? Anyone have a pic of it out of the frame? Thanks guys, also where could I get one? Probably the hardware store, right?

[Mechanic79]

OK NEXT QUESTION?

Do you have a ult on your valve?

yes, ULT in the valve. in the video i had 4 ult shims. it does work better with 6 ult shims.

Looks like the ram is having a tough time actuating the sear. It may be up too high. The ram should hit the sear let as low as you can make it. This give it more leverage. The leak is probably from over pressurizing the msv to get it to work.

After I put the 6 shims back in the valve I will readjust the LPR to as low pressure and still fire reliable.

Thanks for the tips and help :)

[mongoose]

yes, ULT in the valve. in the video i had 4 ult shims. it does work better with 6 ult shims.



After I put the 6 shims back in the valve I will readjust the LPR to as low pressure and still fire reliable.

Thanks for the tips and help :)

the more shims you can fit in there the better.
and when you adjust the lpr ..start with it off and increase slowly untill it starts to fire..then give it another 1/4 to 1/2 turn..Now make a vid of it shooting properly :cheers:

[mongoose]

Hi everyone, what do you use as a trigger pin? The one in the pic on the first page looks like its part of a screw. Is that for adjustment purposes? Anyone have a pic of it out of the frame? Thanks guys, also where could I get one? Probably the hardware store, right?

the one in the ram? or the one pushing the 3-way?

[Stayhuge]

the one in the ram? or the one pushing the 3-way?

The one that pushes the 3-way lever from the Trigger. (That goes into the hole that was drilled behing the trigger)

[mongoose]

The one that pushes the 3-way lever from the Trigger. (That goes into the hole that was drilled behing the trigger)

thats the pin from the rt sear/pin....i think thats what its called

[Stayhuge]

thats the pin from the rt sear/pin....i think thats what its called

Ah, I got it. Thanks. Interesting:oneear:

[Cyberave68]

Looks like the ram is having a tough time actuating the sear. It may be up too high. The ram should hit the sear let as low as you can make it. This give it more leverage. The leak is probably from over pressurizing the msv to get it to work.

Good catch BigE....

He has a very BIG piont there. The piston (MSV) should be alot lower on your sear arm. It will lessen the force needed to fire ALOT!!!! if you need any help with it go check my how to thread in the Tech dept. Its on page 4 i think cause BigE hasnt stickyed it yet....:wall:

[Stayhuge]

I'll have to try that too.

Now, back to the point of the thread, I forgot to mention that the magnet mod looks sick. I am definately interested. :banana::appl:

With that thing, people will think I have a: :minigun:

[mongoose]

I'll have to try that too.

Now, back to the point of the thread, I forgot to mention that the magnet mod looks sick. I am definately interested. :banana::appl:

With that thing, people will think I have a: :minigun:

careful....you might get accused of ramping!!!!!:nana:

[Stayhuge]

careful....you might get accused of ramping!!!!!:nana:

True, maybe I will use clear grips!!! If there are no electronics, how could I be ramping?!?!?!?!?:evillaugh::evillaugh:

[Cyberave68]

Kit going on sale today when i get home...:clap:

PBL gets first crack at em...!!!!:wthumpup:

I will do a dealers thread today after work...:cheers:

[robnix]

Kit going on sale today when i get home...:clap:

PBL gets first crack at em...!!!!:wthumpup:

I will do a dealers thread today after work...:cheers:

Sweet!

[Stayhuge]

YES!!!! :banana::banana::banana:
:clap::woohoo:

:dancemania:
:whacky:

:thewave:

:kneelsuckers:

[xjerzy09]

[QUOTE=t0nnn;24992]Last night the man himself came over, and we finally threw on the magnet mods we have been working on for the past 3ish months. The pull is much snappier and just tight, it feels awesome.

cyberave ..funny lookin aint he?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/t0nnn/paintball%20shieet/ERIK.jpg


Who is that ugly guy in the backround?? Looks like hes been abused some:slap:

[Cyberave68]

COME AND GET EM....

http://www.pblegion.com/showthread.php?p=27708#post27708

FIXED...