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RogueFactor
11-15-2007, 01:29 PM
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/scores-of-pets-massacred-in-puerto-rico/20071115094309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

TRUJILLO ALTO, Puerto Rico (Nov. 14) - Back roads, gorges and garbage dumps on this tropical island are littered with the decaying carcasses of dogs and cats. An Associated Press investigation reveals why: possibly thousands of unwanted animals have been tossed off bridges, buried alive and otherwise inhumanely disposed of by taxpayer-financed animal control programs.

Witnesses who spoke with the AP said that, despite pledges to deliver adoptable strays to shelters and humanely euthanize the rest, the island's leading private animal control companies generally did neither.

News that live animals had been thrown to their deaths from a bridge reached the public last month when Animal Control Solutions, a government contractor, was accused of inhumanely killing some 80 dogs and cats seized from three housing projects in the town of Barceloneta. A half dozen survived the fall of at least 50 feet.

The AP probe, which included visits to two sites where animals were slaughtered, found the inhumane killings were far more extensive than that one incident. The AP saw and was told about a scale and brutality far beyond even what animal welfare activists suspected, stretching over the last eight years.

A $22.5 million lawsuit against Animal Control Solutions and city officials - including those who helped round up the animals - was filed on behalf of 16 Barceloneta families whose dogs or cats were seized under rules prohibiting pets at the city projects. The animals' deaths show "a cold and depraved heart and has stirred public outrage around the whole world," the lawsuit says.

Julio Diaz, owner of Animal Control Solutions and a co-founder of another company, Pet Delivery, declined AP requests for an interview but told reporters there is no proof his company was responsible for the Barceloneta pet massacre. "We have never thrown animals off any place," he said.

A police investigation into the Barceloneta killings has not led to charges, but police Sgt. Wilbert Miranda, who heads the probe, said the information gathered so far indicates Animal Control Solutions was responsible. He declined to give details.

Maria Kortright, a lawyer involved in the suit, said it's clear the pets Animal Control Solutions removed from Barceloneta were the same ones hurled off the bridge because the survivors have been identified by their owners.

"Last Tuesday, I saw one of the survivors back at its home," Kortright said.

Animal welfare activists have complained to government agencies for years about allegations of improper disposal of animals, but say officials didn't act. Preventive action also is almost nonexistent: Puerto Rico has at least 100,000 stray dogs and cats - and no island-wide spaying or neutering programs.

Activist Alfredo Figueroa said the animal disposal companies acted with impunity because government agencies ignored allegations of cruelty, rather than investigate the companies or address the overpopulation of strays.

"There is apathy," Figueroa said. "No one wants to take responsibility."

A former employee of one of Diaz's companies told the AP that the firms rounded up thousands of animals over the years, brutally killed many of them and discarded the corpses wherever it was convenient. One of the former employees led the AP to two different killing fields and he and another former employee described a third.

"Not a single animal was turned over to a shelter," a former dogcatcher for Animal Control Solutions told the AP. Both he and an ex-employee of Pet Delivery, who was interviewed separately, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. Both said they left the animal disposal jobs voluntarily.

The AP contacted all eight animal shelters and sanctuaries across Puerto Rico, and they confirmed that none had received animals for potential adoption from Diaz's companies.

Diaz co-founded Pet Delivery in 1999 and created Animal Control Solutions in 2002. Pet Delivery appears to be defunct, having reported no earnings since 2004. Facing little competition, the companies had 85 contracts with municipalities and other clients worth $1.1 million in the past eight years, according to the Puerto Rican comptroller's office.

The AP could find no sign that any of the municipalities checked to make sure the companies dealt with the strays humanely.

"It wasn't our responsibility," said Edwin Arroyo, special assistant to the mayor of Barceloneta, which paid Animal Control Solutions up to $20,000 per year and in October hired the company to remove banned pets from housing projects - allegedly the ones that wound up at the bottom of the bridge.

The pet disposal scandal adds to Puerto Rico's poor reputation for treatment of animals. Cockfighting is legal, with matches shown on television. One of the island's beaches is known as Dead Dog Beach - a place where teenagers drive over live puppies sealed in bags or cruelly kill them with machetes and arrows, according to animal welfare groups that photographed the atrocities.

Figueroa says he met Diaz in 1999 and introduced him to city officials in Fajardo. The city then awarded Pet Delivery a contract to remove strays. But Figueroa said he later learned that Diaz's company also was removing pets with collars and ID tags, and dumping their bodies in a field.

"Crying children, old people, a sick woman were all calling us, thinking we were involved," Figueroa said.

A former Animal Control Solutions employee told the AP that he witnessed another worker in 2005 dragging 12 to 15 small dogs out of a van along a road outside San Juan. Normally, workers injected animals with a euthanasia drug but on this day there was none. The animals were instead given an overdose of a sedative and flung 50 feet into a trash-filled gully. Some of the dogs were alive as they crashed on top of junked beds, bottles and other garbage.

"I could hear some of the dogs whimpering as they hit the tree branches and then the ground," the former employee said as he stood with AP journalists in the muck at the site, which still holds the stench of death.

Not all the dogs died, however. A dog that was not a stray, but a sickly pet whose owner wanted it euthanized, managed to limp home. The angry owner telephoned the company and demanded it retrieve the dog and do the job right, the former employee recalled.

The former employee also showed AP reporters a highway rest stop near a gorge outside the town of Cayey where, he said, workers would inject dogs. At the edge of the gorge lay the skeletal remains of more than a dozen dogs amid matted fur and two dog collars with no tags.

Asked if the number of dogs and cats killed by Animal Control Solutions was in the hundreds, the former employee shook his head.

"It is in the thousands," he said. "On a good month, we would pick up 900."

One dog, stuffed in a sack, was found recently at the Cayey site among other bagged carcasses. It apparently survived the fall and managed to poke its head out of the bag before dying, said Carmen Cintron, who runs an animal shelter.

"I am having nightmares when I think about what that poor dog went through before it died," Cintron said.

Until 2003, Pet Delivery ran a shelter where workers injected strays, often not knowing what the drugs were or their proper doses, the former employee of that company told the AP.

Some animals were adopted from the shelter, but others - including puppies and kittens - were euthanized, the ex-employee said. Euthanizing animals that cannot be adopted is standard practice in pet shelters, but the former employee said animals at Pet Delivery's shelter were inhumanely killed.

"Any available employee at that moment would use the drug that was available and they were thrown half dead into a hole, and that's why there were some live dogs among them," he said. "What he (Diaz) had us do was to throw dirt on top of the live dogs along with the dead ones, so they all would die."

etjoyride
11-15-2007, 01:40 PM
wow that's just screwed up...all i can say

Perentie
11-15-2007, 01:58 PM
And people want to ban torture completely, these people sound like excellent candidates of true torture not that ***** **** called waterboarding. Even if these people are prosecuted the penalties never equate to the damage pain and suffering they dealt.

TnDeathInc
11-15-2007, 02:00 PM
That just hurts i would kick the crap out of a person if i seen them mis treating and animal


owner of 2 of the most spoiled german sheaprds ever

FiXeL
11-15-2007, 02:05 PM
The people who did this should be thrown off a bridge, a high one with deep water underneath and wearing cement shoes. :mad: Animals are living things and should never be dumped like garbage.

Geronimo7
11-15-2007, 02:14 PM
I read that article yesterday. (bastards:mad:) The worst part about the whole thing is that this sort a thing happens right here in our country in a smaller scale, you just don't hear about it. I can't stand people who mistreat animals like that. Maybe we should drop a few of them off a bridge see how they like it :axemurder:

punkncat
11-15-2007, 02:46 PM
This abusive treatment of animals is horrible. At the same time, something has to be done to control unchecked animal population. Its a bad situation with a bad solution. Someone, usually taxpayers have to pay to keep these animals alive while they wait in a cage to be "put to sleep".
As unpopular as this will be....a bullet is cheaper and humane. I think a lot of people think more of animals than they do the conditions under which humans are forced to be every day.

Cell
11-15-2007, 03:39 PM
Wow, and I thought college kids having pets was bad.

RogueFactor
11-15-2007, 03:51 PM
I think a lot of people think more of animals than they do the conditions under which humans are forced to be every day.

Youre right, I do. I think more of any helpless animal that lives and dies inhumanely at the whim of a human.

The conditions which humans live under are not forced. We all have choice. Whether we like the choices we must make is another topic altogether.

This abusive treatment of animals is horrible. At the same time, something has to be done to control unchecked animal population. Its a bad situation with a bad solution. Someone, usually taxpayers have to pay to keep these animals alive while they wait in a cage to be "put to sleep".
As unpopular as this will be....a bullet is cheaper and humane.

The cheapest and most humane form of population control is....spay and neuter.

warpig13
11-15-2007, 07:49 PM
I'm a hunter and outdoor sportsman, so I understand the killing of some game animals, but I get SO ****ED off when humans torture or are just playing cruel to animals.

I think it should be legal to kneecap any arse that harms an innocent animal. My husky came from an abusive enviroment, and several other of my pets have been rescued. To this day I get mad everytime my dog flinches at a slight hand movement.

Anjin3515
11-15-2007, 08:33 PM
I own two dogs....and reading this was actually gut wrenching.
Im at a loss for words....all I know is there is a special place in hell for these scum!

warpig13
11-16-2007, 05:52 AM
I own two dogs....and reading this was actually gut wrenching.
Im at a loss for words....all I know is there is a special place in hell for these scum!

I will start believing in hell if it means these bastard end up going.

TnDeathInc
11-16-2007, 07:09 AM
Even scarier, a group of children here in Nashville set fire to a female dog and her litter of pups. Guess what they got nada for it but a slap on the hand.

Even more Scarier, funny word use, kids that abuse animals grow up to be abusive to their spouses and children, a horrifying statistical link.

Dark Side
11-16-2007, 12:51 PM
In my opinion the "People" who do this crap should no longer be given a humane punishment. Treat them as they treated the animals they cruely slaughtered.

punkncat
11-16-2007, 09:39 PM
Youre right, I do. I think more of any helpless animal that lives and dies inhumanely at the whim of a human.

The conditions which humans live under are not forced. We all have choice. Whether we like the choices we must make is another topic altogether.






As much as I am wary of getting into any type of discussion with you...as you are shrewd...I cannot agree. Does a child born to homeless people have a choice? Ward of the state choose to be there? How about the asian slave trade...did they choose to be slaves? Russian prostite anyone....Person starving in Africa.....?
There are MANY people who are in conditions that they have no control over or way to get out of.

As atrocious as it is there are much bigger things to make a big deal out of than dead housecats in Puerto Rico (or wherever the hell this was). People outside of the affected area worrying about this type of **** have too much time on their hands IMO.
I'm not saying its right what is going on, but at the same time, there are certainly more newsworthy things going on. Some guy spent how much time to write an artice about this so (uninvolved)pet owners/animal lovers could get all worked up about "those bastards" blah, blah...Why not take that time and effort to help people who are being mistreated right here in the states?
I mean, really, what are we going to do about this? Does it benefit any of us to know its going on?
I think not. Sensationalism plain and simple.

Mann
11-18-2007, 01:12 PM
In my opinion the "People" who do this crap should no longer be given a humane punishment. Treat them as they treated the animals they cruely slaughtered.

QFT

Papa_Smurf
11-18-2007, 01:21 PM
In my opinion the "People" who do this crap should no longer be given a humane punishment. Treat them as they treated the animals they cruely slaughtered.




:hail:

RogueFactor
11-18-2007, 02:27 PM
As much as I am wary of getting into any type of discussion with you...as you are shrewd...I cannot agree. Does a child born to homeless people have a choice? Ward of the state choose to be there? How about the asian slave trade...did they choose to be slaves? Russian prostite anyone....Person starving in Africa.....?
There are MANY people who are in conditions that they have no control over or way to get out of.
I may be shrewd, but I am no bleeding heart.

We all have the choice to do something about our conditions. The only control others have is what we give. Animals do not.

So, if you are suggesting that people arent out there trying to help those who are born to homeless...or to help those who are wards of the state....or to help those slaves....or to help those Russian prostitutes...or to help those starving in Africa...then you arent paying attention to the world around you.

People outside of the affected area worrying about this type of **** have too much time on their hands IMO.
You better turn off your TV, Internet and radio. Dont read the newspaper either. Why? Cuz you got too much time on your hands to be worried about stuff outside your affected area.:rolleyes:

Please read the story next time. Americans have flown in to help. Americans that are 'outside the affected area'.

The irony. They got too much time, but you the guy who writes about them writing about it doesnt? Thats just funny. :smarty:

...there are certainly more newsworthy things going on. ...
Says you?....why is your opinion more valued than the countless others who do find it newsowrthy? The guy who paid someone to write the story? Or the guy who was paid to write the story? Or all the readers who found it a valuable story to read? Or the volunteers helping to do something about the issue?

I bet youd rather see more stories about Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan instead..because THAT is newsworthy.:D

Why not take that time and effort to help people who are being mistreated right here in the states?
People do. Every day. They arent mutually exclusive. To suggest one 'group' must be neglected to help others is about as narrow-minded as Ive heard.

And fyi---Puerto Rico is a US Commonwealth. In case you didnt know they are considered 'part of the US';)

I mean, really, what are we going to do about this? Does it benefit any of us to know its going on?
I think not. Sensationalism plain and simple.
There are lots of things 'we' can do about this.

1) If by 'we', you mean Americans...they are already down their helping and flying dogs out of the country so that this doesnt happen. If it werent for this story, this 8-year saga would have continued.
2) If by 'we' you mean, the reader, hopefully this information has an effect on the tourist industry down there. If Puerto Rico sees a decline in tourist revenue as a result, maybe they will change these things. Money has a way of doing that.

It absolutely benefits me to be knowledgeable about these sorts of things. If you want to ignore it, that is your right. Me, I prefer to be educated.

punkncat
11-18-2007, 07:18 PM
I may be shrewd, but I am no bleeding heart.

We all have the choice to do something about our conditions. The only control others have is what we give. Animals do not.

So, if you are suggesting that people arent out there trying to help those who are born to homeless...or to help those who are wards of the state....or to help those slaves....or to help those Russian prostitutes...or to help those starving in Africa...then you arent paying attention to the world around you.


You better turn off your TV, Internet and radio. Dont read the newspaper either. Why? Cuz you got too much time on your hands to be worried about stuff outside your affected area.:rolleyes:

Please read the story next time. Americans have flown in to help. Americans that are 'outside the affected area'.

The irony. They got too much time, but you the guy who writes about them writing about it doesnt? Thats just funny. :smarty:


Says you?....why is your opinion more valued than the countless others who do find it newsowrthy? The guy who paid someone to write the story? Or the guy who was paid to write the story? Or all the readers who found it a valuable story to read? Or the volunteers helping to do something about the issue?

I bet youd rather see more stories about Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan instead..because THAT is newsworthy.:D


People do. Every day. They arent mutually exclusive. To suggest one 'group' must be neglected to help others is about as narrow-minded as Ive heard.

And fyi---Puerto Rico is a US Commonwealth. In case you didnt know they are considered 'part of the US';)


There are lots of things 'we' can do about this.

1) If by 'we', you mean Americans...they are already down their helping and flying dogs out of the country so that this doesnt happen. If it werent for this story, this 8-year saga would have continued.
2) If by 'we' you mean, the reader, hopefully this information has an effect on the tourist industry down there. If Puerto Rico sees a decline in tourist revenue as a result, maybe they will change these things. Money has a way of doing that.

It absolutely benefits me to be knowledgeable about these sorts of things. If you want to ignore it, that is your right. Me, I prefer to be educated.


I enjoy watching you work. You really take time and effort to back up your pov with a intelligent and well thought out reply.

I have to admit, I enjoy taking a "Devil's Advocate" stand, where many times the side is undefendable and see what I can do with it. I am an avid animal lover, to the point of having put signs in my yard asking neighbors to slow down in the curve of my street in the old neighborhood to avoid killing another one of my pet cats.
Although I do feel to an extent like this is sensationalistic, there are very few things in the news today that are not. Admittedly, I have enough things going on in my own life that turning on the (bad) news is something I avoid as often as possible.
I realize that with you, I had better find a subject that I am truly passionate and knowledgeable about to debate, lest you pick me apart again. lol

...wringing hands....damn you Rogue......;)

Oh the comment about Paris and Lindsey was just a low blow....

RogueFactor
11-18-2007, 09:22 PM
I enjoy watching you work. You really take time and effort to back up your pov with a intelligent and well thought out reply.

I have to admit, I enjoy taking a "Devil's Advocate" stand, where many times the side is undefendable and see what I can do with it. I am an avid animal lover, to the point of having put signs in my yard asking neighbors to slow down in the curve of my street in the old neighborhood to avoid killing another one of my pet cats.
Although I do feel to an extent like this is sensationalistic, there are very few things in the news today that are not. Admittedly, I have enough things going on in my own life that turning on the (bad) news is something I avoid as often as possible.
I realize that with you, I had better find a subject that I am truly passionate and knowledgeable about to debate, lest you pick me apart again. lol

...wringing hands....damn you Rogue......;)

Oh the comment about Paris and Lindsey was just a low blow....

All good. I enjoy the joust, so if you want to play Devils advocate, Im game. I think weve shown up on BigE's radar though, so Im sure these debates will end up in Fight Club.

You have some valid points. These stories are sensationalistic, they must appeal to emotion to capture the short attentions spans of the readers.

The Paris/Lindsay comment was a jab back at ya for the 'shrewd' comment.:smarty:

TnDeathInc
11-19-2007, 10:20 AM
anybody remember cat juggling from Steve Martin's the Jerk - uber funny