It appears John Rice has left Angel

[RogueFactor]

John Rice, the engineering genius behind every Angel since the original V6 Angel, has left the parent company, Angel Paintball Sports.

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If the sport is truly growing, it makes me wonder why all these pioneers are leaving!

[mostpeople]

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If the sport is truly growing, it makes me wonder why all these pioneers are leaving!

What makes you think the sport is truly growing?

We've been talking about the sport being in decline, and you specifically have been talking about the sport dying.

We all know it Rogue, just keep on keepin on, and the sport will never completely die.

[CKY_Alliance]

The sport may be dying, but I have a feeling his departure has to do with the new management and not so much with the state of paintball.

[RogueFactor]

The sport may be dying, but I have a feeling his departure has to do with the new management and not so much with the state of paintball.

That may be true. What do you believe is the reason for WDP's restructuring and the new management?

[CKY_Alliance]

That may be true. What do you believe is the reason for WDP's restructuring and the new management?

We can speculate all day long, but that doesn't mean we are correct.

I know the answer you are looking for is "because the industry is in decline". But at the same time if that is the case why would the company that bought WDP out invest so much money into a company that is part of a dieing industry. Not only that, but WDP wasn't really on top, they seemed to cater to a loyal fanbase, they attracted new customers with the angel 1, but I don't think they got the numbers they wanted to. Then again I have no evidence to back that last statement up, I just gathered that from being around paintball.

Then again I don't know many details on the buy out, but I believe it was a big corporation, correct? And don't big corporations often look for dieing companies to dump money into, to save them from taxes? Well then again WDP is a European company..soooo I don't really know how that works across the pond.

Meh just things to think about I suppose, I could be very mistaken.

[RogueFactor]

We can speculate all day long, but that doesn't mean we are correct.

Meh just things to think about I suppose, I could be very mistaken.
True, but that doesnt mean we are incorrect either. And all indicators of things going on around us do not indicate the optimistic view.

We could both be incorrect:wthumpup:

But at the same time if that is the case why would the company that bought WDP out invest so much money into a company that is part of a dieing industry. Then again I don't know many details on the buy out, but I believe it was a big corporation, correct? And don't big corporations often look for dieing companies to dump money into, to save them from taxes? Well then again WDP is a European company..soooo I don't really know how that works across the pond.
I dont really know why, there are lots of possible reasons. Maybe the price they paid was less than the value of their assets. Maybe when they are at the bottom, the only way to go is up. Etc etc.

[Mann]

I say paintball is a bad business to be in. If you are in it for fun then go ahead, and have fun. Make a few bucks, and become a "legend". I dare to say that the majority of the people that have wasted time in paintball could have made 3 fold the profits in other industries. When your target audience is 16-21 yr olds (people who dont have money) you are going to have a hard time making millions.

As far as John rice goes. I dont know him. I played my first games with an automag in 4th-5th grade. I am now 24, and continue to shoot an automag. they have always been simple and reliable (IMO the best two qualities anything can have).

Is paintball dieing? No. Is paintball growing? No. We are somewhere in the middle. We are trying to decide if we want to unite and become huge or continue to bicker and stagnate. Until we can make paintball marketable it is not going to grow.

:twocents:

[RogueFactor]

I dare to say that the majority of the people that have wasted time in paintball could have made 3 fold the profits in other industries.
True, but I will bet to that majority life isnt all about profits. Living modestly without the grind of the 12-14 hour work day(once you factor the commute time), and all the headaches that come with it is something I know I prefer to profits. When you enjoy what you do, it doesnt feel like work.

[Mann]

True, but I will bet to that majority life isnt all about profits. Living modestly without the grind of the 12-14 hour work day(once you factor the commute time), and all the headaches that come with it is something I know I prefer to profits. When you enjoy what you do, it doesnt feel like work.

Yes and no. It is a balancing act. At job A you may only like 50% of your job, and earn 100.00 an hour. At job B you may like 95% of your job, and only earn 30.00 an hour.

I believe that some of these people that are getting out are liking their job less and less (probally due to the direction paintball is going (nowhere)). They are probally realizing that the balance could be better elsewhere.

It is hard to work on something if you dont have a direction/goal. Paintball no longer has this. We are maxed out, and prices dont allow for much profit. Any player can have a decent setup for a 2-300 bucks. IMO most of these guys are realizing this now.

Until paintball becomes organized (creates standards/rules/games) they will not get anywhere.

[obscure.m925]

When you enjoy what you do, it doesnt feel like work.

Find a job you like and never work a day in your life :wthumpup:

Any news yet as to what he will be doing next, if anything?

[Mann]

Find a job you like and never work a day in your life :wthumpup:


Good Theory. Now if we could just make it practical and have them pay us what we want.

[bryceeden]

12 hour shifts aren't that bad, you get use to them.

But anyway I'm going to bet that most of the people in the world are in the same boat I am and can't afford $4.50 gas and paintball(then again I think most people make more than my $9per hour). I'd imagine there is a very bad dull in the industry right now.

[RogueFactor]

12 hour shifts aren't that bad, you get use to them.

But anyway I'm going to bet that most of the people in the world are in the same boat I am and can't afford $4.50 gas and paintball(then again I think most people make more than my $9per hour). I'd imagine there is a very bad dull in the industry right now.

My family has been in public service too. Id agree, 12 hours shifts arent all that bad when its 2-3 days on then 2-3 days off. From my understanding, many hospital staff works the same.

Id be happy to play paintball even with $4.50 gas. Its the vast majority of players that remain at the field that keep me from playing regularly. All the good guys have moved on, whether it be permanently or temporarily.

Id imagine there has been a very bad dull in the industry for a few years. I suspect its that lull thats the reason why so much of the industry has called it quits.