Whats good paint these days?

[RogueFactor]

When I was playing every weekend, ZAP Primer was my paint of choice for practice paint. ZAP Chronic was my paint of choice for scrimmage and game play. Primer was thick-filled, bright, and broke rather well. Chronic was more a tournament level paint and was even better at the above than the Primer paint. I got Primer for Sub-$40, and Chronic for Sub-$50.

Since then, Primer has been replaced(Spank?) and the Chronic formula changed...making them inferior from their previous versions.

Nowadays I walk into a shop and I am not familiar with the paint. They are going to push what they have, so its little help to ask what they think of what they are selling.

With that being said....what brands of paint, and grades of those brands, are the paint to look for? Also, give price points if you could please, Id like to know what this stuff will set my pocketbook back.

[CKY_Alliance]

I know you've seen this thread, but most of us posted our preferred paint...though I don't think there are prices posted. So just for reference.

http://pblegion.com/showthread.php?t=2342&highlight=paint


Draxxus makes good paint, the xball line of paint is good. I usually shoot bronze or silver..I'm to cheap to buy gold and the lower two shoots awesome and break well as is.

Silver is like 50
gold 60 I believe, It's been a while since I've purchased it.

Since you're in California you should be able to get GAP pretty easily. GAP is my number 1 paint choice. I've never bought it at a shop,south east retailers generally stick with draxxus due to the closeness of there distribution center, so I don't know what kind of mark up the stores put on it. But I know on the price sheet I have retail is pretty high like 70+ for all grades if I'm not mistaken. Then again my price sheet is near two years old and I haven't even seen that particular one in a while, so my memory may prove to be wrong but I know someone on the forum has a fairly recent price sheet (zman I think)

yea my choices...

[LathumPB]

I know you've seen this thread, but most of us posted our preferred paint...though I don't think there are prices posted. So just for reference.

http://pblegion.com/showthread.php?t=2342&highlight=paint


Draxxus makes good paint, the xball line of paint is good. I usually shoot bronze or silver..I'm to cheap to buy gold and the lower two shoots awesome and break well as is.

Silver is like 50
gold 60 I believe, It's been a while since I've purchased it.

Since you're in California you should be able to get GAP pretty easily. GAP is my number 1 paint choice. I've never bought it at a shop,south east retailers generally stick with draxxus due to the closeness of there distribution center, so I don't know what kind of mark up the stores put on it. But I know on the price sheet I have retail is pretty high like 70+ for all grades if I'm not mistaken. Then again my price sheet is near two years old and I haven't even seen that particular one in a while, so my memory may prove to be wrong but I know someone on the forum has a fairly recent price sheet (zman I think)

yea my choices...

Retail for GAP is $75 based on the sheet I just received and they list their Dynasty Banana paint as being $120/retail!! :wall:

--LPB

[RogueFactor]

CKY:
I do recall Z-Mans post, but as you cqan see I posted the same thing there as I have here. As with everything to, the 'best' changes every year. Dont know why, Ive just found that it does.

Lathum:
Ouch, thats exorbitantly high! I have never paid that kind of cash for paint. Its no wonder why teams like Avalanche have left the NXL.

[bryceeden]

I shoot DXS Bronze most of the time, its a great paint and pretty inexpensive. DXS Gold is good, but its like $20 a case more than the bronze which is almost as good.

[sandfreestyle]

I like DXS and some Diablo paints. I stick more to DXS Bronze and Silver and Diablo Blaze. Each one of those paints cost me from 45-55 a case.

[FiXeL]

DXS bronze is ok, basicly its Draxxus Blaze but from what i've seen is that blaze is now currently marketed as woodsball paint with camo shells. (not sure on that one tho) DXS silver is also good paint for the money.

I'm also testing out a few kinds of paint for our club, we were using Draxxus (DXS) paint for a few years, but we want something equal to blaze, but at lesser cost. Sofar i have tested Tomahawk Classic and Toroball Precision. These balls are made in italy (Tomahawk) and korea. (Toroball)

The tomahawk classic was ok, shoots straight and the only problem i have with it that the balls are soaked in oil. The whole bag is covered inside with a layer of oil that gets everywhere. I'm not so fond of that, and neither were some other players that used this paint yesterday at the field. So that one comes of the list of potential new skid of paint.

The Toroball precision was actually quite good, and much cheaper than the regular brands. (duh, made in korea) Also noticable was that this paint does not smell bad, actually it's a pleasant smell. Shoots great according to players that have tried it, and they asked me to buy a few cases of Toroball Classic to test. If this performs sathisfactory, This probably will be the paint we're going for. It's about 15-20% cheaper than the other brands.

I don't know if it's available in the US, but if it is, i say it's worth a try.

[CKY_Alliance]

Guess I forgot that the Xball line of paint I was talking about has been changed to just DXS line..heh I guess it's been a while since I've shot it.

[RogueFactor]

Is there any decent paint in the $30-$39 price range?

[CKY_Alliance]

Some fields will sell Draxxus Rec Sport for 35 - 40 a case and if it was shipped to them that week and you shoot it within a couple days of buying it, then it is quality paint for the price. I don't know how many fields will sell it for that price though I think most try to get 50 for it.

The main field I play at back home sells it to teams for $35 a case, he always got a fresh shipment the same week. The day of buying it it shot straight, you would get a bounce here or there, but it broke well for the most part. It's really good paint for 35 dollars, but if you have some left and try to shoot it say a week later..forget about it. It won't break for shizz..

When I was buying GAP we would get it for 42 a case with shipping from Nevada (I believe) to South Carolina..and that is by far the best paint you will get in that price range seeing that it retails for 70+. But you have to buy atleast 10 cases for that price..That and being closer to there distribution center it would probably be sub 40 dollars for you.Something to look into if you want quality paint for cheap.

[TnDeathInc]

i shoot procaps when i want to play cheap, marbalizers when i want quality. they changed the shell a while back. Before it was all i could use in some tippmans as they broke paint like crazy as did my mags in the day. I was surprised when i bought a case about a year ago and the broke on cement from a shoulder high drop. no more bouncing marbsz

[simmy952]

Nelson Precision shoots really well. Usually get if for $35 per case.

[RogueFactor]

I am surprised that there arent more brands. Had I asked this question a few years ago, I would have guessed at least a half dozen suggestions.

So basically 2-3 decent brands and the rest are sub-standard?

[DevilMan]

I like GAP because I can get it cheap. I can get it for ANYONE here at dealer cost.... NOW with Shipping and all it comes out the same or close to as what some people can get away with at the store. But as I have no local store I order it in and get it shipped to me the week of the game I'm going up and it's all good.

I also LOVED EVIL paint. But I got a box that had been heat cycled (Not certain but pretty sure) and so that really turned me off of it. But overall it was great paint when you get it and keep it fresh and cool. It shot for me just as good as the GAP does but wasn't as super fragile in the pods and hoppers.

Soooooo.... hmmm who else...

MONSTERBALL!!!! WOOT WOOT!!!! NOT!

DM

[B-Pow]

I am surprised that there arent more brands. Had I asked this question a few years ago, I would have guessed at least a half dozen suggestions.

So basically 2-3 decent brands and the rest are sub-standard?

I think a lot of that comes down to availibility. Many shops are only carrying certian brands based on what they get from it (I usually see only procaps or RPS in shops), and fields are starting to move to FPO and only carrying one brand (yet again because of the benifits of allowing their field to be a paint company monolopy)

My field of choice is BYOP with only procaps for sale in their on field shop. Personally I like procaps I have never had a bad day playing with it. Unlike the days I tried RPS and JT which ended in me being very unhappy with my paint and ruining my day.

I should try more diffrent brands but...it's kind of a hassle when I have no idea what will be good and what will not be. But I have had decent XO and diablo but it's kinda hit or miss.

[bryceeden]

I like GAP because I can get it cheap. I can get it for ANYONE here at dealer cost.... NOW with Shipping and all it comes out the same or close to as what some people can get away with at the store. But as I have no local store I order it in and get it shipped to me the week of the game I'm going up and it's all good.

I also LOVED EVIL paint. But I got a box that had been heat cycled (Not certain but pretty sure) and so that really turned me off of it. But overall it was great paint when you get it and keep it fresh and cool. It shot for me just as good as the GAP does but wasn't as super fragile in the pods and hoppers.

Soooooo.... hmmm who else...

MONSTERBALL!!!! WOOT WOOT!!!! NOT!

DM

People like you who get wholesale paint despite not having a store and sell it for wholesale to people are the number one reason this industry is dieing. Way to go, you just stabbed the sport between the ribs.

[DevilMan]

People like you who get wholesale paint despite not having a store and sell it for wholesale to people are the number one reason this industry is dieing. Way to go, you just stabbed the sport between the ribs.

It's not that my one case a month is killin the industry. And it's a fact that my team has a dealer for the stuff. That is correct he don't have a store. But we are both pump players most of the time and well I'm sure that mine and his case a month at best isn't gonna be the nail in the coffin that you'd like it to be.

But I'll be damned if I'm gonna stand by and watch some 3rd rate store keep raping the hell out of my friends and fellow players by charging $65 a case for some Rec Grade Karnage!!!! For 1 because I DON"T WANT TO GET SHOT 12 TIMES BECAUSE IT DON'T BREAK, and 2 Because I want people to enjoy their day and learn that you can make your shots count alot better with better quality paint. Ask ZMan how much paint he went through the last time he used quality stuff.

So after you get off your soapbox and see that it has ALOT less to do with me selling the paint at a decent price and more to do with STORES selling CRAP at an ASTRONOMICAL price you'll see that's what is killing the industry.

You can have the knife back, I've got plenty of my own.

DM

P.S. If you happen to open your eyes and read what I said.... It says.. "With Shipping and all it comes out to about the same as what people can get it in the store, but since I don't have a local dealer"

Next time try reading what is written and not between the lines to make up your own reality.

[RogueFactor]

People like you who get wholesale paint despite not having a store and sell it for wholesale to people are the number one reason this industry is dieing. Way to go, you just stabbed the sport between the ribs.

In the past my knee-jerk reaction was the same as yours. Especially when it comes to hardware, like markers and parts. However, its every consumers obligation to look for the cheapest price. Its the manufacturers responsbility to look after their dealers, and the dealers take care of their customers. The system falls aparts when its not done this way.

This is why Ive come to realize instead that the blame falls on the manufacturer. Sponsored teams have been doing this for years, among others the manufacturers dump to. So the manufacturers are the number one reason the industry is dieing and the manufacturers(IMO) are the ones stabbing the sport inbetween the ribs.

Also consider that if it werent for the cheaper paint, some people wouldnt play at all. Then everyone, including the sport, loses. So, it could be argued that DevilMan is doing the sport a favor.

I guess its all perspective.

Edit: I didnt look at it from DevilMans perspective. That makes allot of sense too.

[mostpeople]

X-ball bronze

You cant go wrong with it, 40/case and it breaks when its supposed to and they are all round like they should be.


What the hell else could you want out of paint?

[Dark Side]

I've got to know where you Bronze for $40. That's under my MAP by a good bit...

Silver and Gold are good. My most preferred is Dynasty Dragon, but in a pinch I'll go for anything mid grade or better by GAP.

[RogueFactor]

I've got to know where you Bronze for $40. That's under my MAP by a good bit...
If my memory serves, he plays at a field with lots of sponsored players. Id bet he gets deals from them. I doubt he is paying retail.

[mostpeople]

Good point, the store where I got it for 40 raised it to 45/case, but it was still a small pro shop, not a field.

so no the cheapest I could get bronze for would be 45, but I left before that change so I used to get it for 40.

Im not even in the same state anymore :(

[Dark Side]

Makes sense. Procaps has messed with their prices...

If a dealer pays let's just say $40 for a case of paint(including shipping); and then sales that same case to his customers for $40. The dealer is the one on the losing end. He gets nothing out of the deal except for the great possiblity that those customers would return. I know I'd buy as much as I could for wholsale prices if I wasn't already a dealer. I know plenty of stores/fields who pass on wholesale costs to sponsored players.

The manufacturers still make as much off of that same case as they would off of any other. They are supposed to QC the dealers( and if they catch one not holding to the MAPs then they hold them accountable), but if done under the table then they can not be held at fault.

The individual player can NOT be held liable for a dealers prices. Nor are they the ones who perpetruate the death of Paintball. If anything the individual players who buy the paint for those prices (since the industry still gets the same amount of money anyhow from that sale) instead of passing on that sale of overpriced paint , only seek to extend the game to others. You would be lying to say that newbs using better quality paint at the same price as monster would not return due to a poor experience from the normal rental woes that most find at the beginning. If anything, the same newbs would bring in others because of the good experience.

[Forsaken Evil]

I am personally a fan of Marbalizers. I have never had a bad box of marbs. They always shoot straight, break well, and have a nice fill every time I use em. Little expensive for a regular day of rec play but I would highly recommend them for tourneys and such.

[Max Powers]

Good topic. I am just getting back into paintballing and I am not familiar with most of the brands now.

[cyrus-the-virus]

I'm a fan of nelson paint personaly, nelspat is pretty cheap and it's good stuff, shoots straight, good fill, good shell.

Though if you don't mind spending the money, apple scented anarchy is VERY good paint, the fill is extreamly fisable and scented(so far I've been hit with bubble gum and apple) :P tough it doesen't taste too good.....

DXS bronze/silver is also very good paint IMO, though they tend to be smaller bores than the nelson paint(in my experience)

[B-Pow]

I'm a fan of nelson paint personaly, nelspat is pretty cheap and it's good stuff, shoots straight, good fill, good shell.

Though if you don't mind spending the money, apple scented anarchy is VERY good paint, the fill is extreamly fisable and scented(so far I've been hit with bubble gum and apple) :P tough it doesen't taste too good.....

DXS bronze/silver is also very good paint IMO, though they tend to be smaller bores than the nelson paint(in my experience)

Last nelson stuff I had was like bb's...I think recent years the trend has been to tiny paint.

I can make rash assumptions about why...since this is the internet I will make those assumptions, and state them as fact! Honestly I think the paint companies are making smaller bore paint because it takes a little less material...which can make a diffrence in how many you can make...when making millions of balls. That and it causes the users to want to get their hands on barrel kits....so they can get the most out of their tiny paint. Just food for thought.

[CKY_Alliance]

Check it out, you can try several brands for a really low price.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2824351