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RogueFactor
09-13-2008, 05:55 PM
This was the very first rail I ever made and it was originally offered only as a 'winged' rail. They were machined from stock raw AGD RT Pro rails, as you can visibly see the front mounting bracket holes and the site rail holes.

The design was largely influenced by the Extreme Rage Omega rail, which at the time was no longer in production. Tunaman had purchased the last of the Omegas which he made hugely popular on his custom mags. RogueRails were ready to release in competition with the Omega, but as a dealer courtesy to Tunaman, the release was held until he could sell out the majority of his stock of Omegas.

While these rails appeared similar to Omegas, there were more differences than similarities. The main difference being that the Omega was an Automag/MiniMag based rail which uses Automag/MiniMag sears & pins. The RogueRail was a RT Pro based rail that used a RT Pro sears & sear axle pins. The only similarity to date is the number of cuts in the back wing. The other main differences were 1) The length of the rails 2) The size, length, and distance between the rear 'gill' cuts 3) The Omega was a 'dovetailed rail', the RogueRail a flat-bottomed rail 4) The Omega had a front wing, the RogueRail did not 5) The Omega had a recessed window in the front wing, the RogueRail did not 6) The RogueRail had RT Pro sight rail and foregrip mounting bracket holes, the Omega rail did not.

These RogueRails were special, because they came machined by request from AGD with the square PIM-hole(front gripframe screw hole). This allowed these rails to be 'AGD spec', and to be used with either the aluminum AGD ULE bodies or the AGD Stainless bodies. The PIM-hole according to AGD is a critical spec area of the rail and if modified aftermarket is considered something that invalidated the AGD warranty at the time.

Because the rail was RT Pro length, it could be used on both mechanical mags as well as E-mags. There are, however, a few distinct aesthetic design difference between an RT Pro rail and E-mag rail. The front top of the rail is angled, as is the rear bottom at a nearly 45* angle. The RT Pro was designed like this to match the front mounting bracket that too was angled. I assume the rear bottom was angled from a design perspective to give it some symmetry. Because of this angle though, the front of the bodies(whether aluminum or stainless) did not fit flush with the rail.

There were a few options given after these rails were first released. Because some were looking for the lightest rail, the option of a 'wingless' version was given. Because this feature was popular, the wingless RogueRail became the predecessor to the future RPG Shadow Rail. Another optional feature was the removal of the twist lock hole. Interestingly, even though these rails were made to accommodate both aluminum and stainless AGD bodies, most requested the twist-lock hole to be removed. This feature saved minimal weight(as I recall .1-.2 oz.), but the vast majority of rails were sold in this configuration.

The color options offered were gloss black, dust black, gloss red, and polished raw. I believe this was the first product I ever offered unanodized. And it was also my first lesson that doing so was largely a mistake.

Because these were a production item and most mech maggers were using Automag/MiniMag rails, I also offered them as combo package with a RT Pro sear and sear axle pin at a discount to save maggers some cash:wthumpup:

Thats all I can recall of the history of this rail. I will add to if I recall additional details. And now for the pic of the winged RogueRail:

avtech2
09-20-2008, 02:49 AM
I liked them. Think they will ever be available again.

RogueFactor
09-20-2008, 08:52 AM
I liked them. Think they will ever be available again.

Anything can be made again, it really depends on demand. I doubt it will ever be exactly as they were.

The RogueRail sold decently, but not enough to keep it around. Itwas later replaced with the Thrasher rail, which didnt sell as well as the RogueRail or its other alternatives(Shadow, Splinter, etc).

SithSteve
09-20-2008, 01:13 PM
Well, I've said it before, if you get enough interest, I'm in for a Wave rail...

How about creating a poll to see what rail(s) should be brought back and who would be interested in getting them... which could lead to accepting deposits... Production would only occur if the spots were filled and deposits/payments received.

RogueFactor
09-20-2008, 01:29 PM
Well, I've said it before, if you get enough interest, I'm in for a Wave rail...

How about creating a poll to see what rail(s) should be brought back and who would be interested in getting them... which could lead to accepting deposits... Production would only occur if the spots were filled and deposits/payments received.

The Wave rail hasnt been retired, as I still have a handful of mini-waves here. Since they are made in batches, I dont make more until what I have sells out.

maddboy32
09-20-2008, 03:36 PM
is the front cut for an AM/MM asa? if it is thats cool!!

RogueFactor
09-20-2008, 05:16 PM
is the front cut for an AM/MM asa? if it is thats cool!!

Yes, it is. Only at the front. I forgot about that feature when I wrote the first post. This feature allowed it to be used with either the single screw AM/MM ASA or the dual screw RT Pro ASA.

maddboy32
09-20-2008, 05:36 PM
Yes, it is. Only at the front. I forgot about that feature when I wrote the first post. This feature allowed it to be used with either the single screw AM/MM ASA or the dual screw RT Pro ASA.

now thats big pimp'in. do you mill that yourself? price?

RogueFactor
09-20-2008, 05:57 PM
now thats big pimp'in. do you mill that yourself? price?

Bad news...The extent of the custom work I did was ULE'ing rails and removing the wings(like the Shadows) back in 2002-2003, which also stopped in that same timeframe. I had too many that thought my price was high at the time($25-$30), and would barter with me. Id spend more time on the internet answering e-mails than it was worth.

This was a valuable lesson. I stopped taking any new work, and there were others that offered custom work. Most have since disappeared. Rather, I make new products in production quantities.

Luke still does one-off work though. Most of the things I offer new, he offers as a service. Its funny, cuz after all is said and done it usually costs around the same. Except you get a new item from me, or a used & modified one from luke(ie Ultra Light Frames, dual detented bodies, etc).

And since flat-bottomed rails worked on both RT Pros and E-Mags, and AGd ceased producing AM/MM ASA's...there was little reason to keep that feature.

Long story short...e-mail luke. Im sure he will modify your rail if you want it that way. Or, find someone selling a RogueRail. Those are really the only 2 choices at this point.

matteusz
09-23-2008, 11:58 PM
So I know you are out of Mini Shadow rails. Which makes me wonder when you will be making those again?

I know obnoxious comment on something being out of stock when I didn't buy it on the first release I just couldn't resist. You know Christmas is coming soon.:smarty:

avtech2
09-24-2008, 12:53 AM
Will any other rails be available again?

matteusz
09-24-2008, 06:25 AM
:lol2: Will any other rails be available again?

:rofl2: sorry I started that. You can :slap: me anytime.

RogueFactor
09-24-2008, 07:51 AM
So I know you are out of Mini Shadow rails. Which makes me wonder when you will be making those again?

I do these all in production runs. I will be making more of these when I run out of full length shadow rails. The only other option is to do a smaller run and increase the price. I prefer the first option.

Will any other rails be available again?

I have full length Shadow rails available right now. I also have a few blemished Mini-Wave rails too.

smoke63b
09-30-2008, 06:19 PM
I've been looking around to find a full size shadow rail. I have an exile body and would love to match it up with one. Could I purchase one from you? I found this post through google search.