Mexican Flag hung above American removed by Vet. [Archive]

Triangle

11-26-2007, 02:35 PM

Can a foreign flag fly above the US flag?
Mexican-US flags
KRNV News 4

A situation arose in Reno, where a Mexican Flag was flown above the US flag on a single pole. This was a violation of the Flag Code and was apparently done to make a political statement.

Let's start by looking at the Flag Code. You will find there is a contradiction. First it says that all foreign flags should fly at the same height as the US flag. But later, it says that no foreign flag should fly at the same height as the US flag.

7g. reads, "When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace."

7c. starts, "No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America..."

7c. later on reads (emphasis ours), "No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof..."

Notwithstanding the confusion here, it is always recommended to fly foreign flags from separate poles, and that the flags should be flown at the same height and be of same or similar size.
Hope this helps

MadMarx

11-26-2007, 02:48 PM

I don't get it. Why is posting an american flag under a mexican flag even illigal?

GTFO! are you serious!?!?!?

Triangle

11-26-2007, 02:50 PM

GTFO! are you serious!?!?!?

Dude, if he doesn't understand why, don't get on his ***.

babyface

11-26-2007, 02:52 PM

guess that guy wasnt gonna fight that vet for that flag! even since he put the his nations flag above ours. we need more of those vets!

michbich

11-26-2007, 03:02 PM

GTFO! are you serious!?!?!?

I'm not well educated in laws and politics because they don't peek my interrest. I don't see why people make a big thing out of two flags that are one on top of the other. Would you care if the US flag was on top of the Mexican one? I didn't think so.

To answer triangle's question:

http://www.caslon.com.au/flagfiresnote2.htm#canada

"Canada does not have specific legislation to prohibit destruction or defacement of flags, whether Canadian or of other nations. "

I didn't find much more information than that.

Triangle

11-26-2007, 03:07 PM

I'm not well educated in laws and politics because they don't peek my interrest. I don't see why people make a big thing out of two flags that are one on top of the other. Would you care if the US flag was on top of the Mexican one? I didn't think so.

To answer triangle's question:

http://www.caslon.com.au/flagfiresnote2.htm#canada

"Canada does not have specific legislation to prohibit destruction or defacement of flags, whether Canadian or of other nations. "

I didn't find much more information than that.

Thanks for the info, Mich.

TnDeathInc

11-26-2007, 04:19 PM

rock on!!

MadMarx

11-26-2007, 04:28 PM

I'm not well educated in laws and politics because they don't peek my interrest. I don't see why people make a big thing out of two flags that are one on top of the other. Would you care if the US flag was on top of the Mexican one? I didn't think so.

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

Geronimo7

11-26-2007, 04:46 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

I'll agree with that :axemurder:

Dark Side

11-26-2007, 05:06 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

:candle:

Triangle

11-26-2007, 05:10 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

If it's in the USA then you should be able to fly whatever flag that you choose, so long as it's under the American flag.

Living in America grants us these freedoms, not the warrant to **** on those that you don't like or agree with.

Not all Mexican-Americans came here illegally.

michbich

11-26-2007, 05:16 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

I know that illegal imigration is a big problem for the US. Even Canada has some issues. But who are we to dictate how others live there lives?

I know this is way out of context but if my favorite NHL team are the Ottawa Senators, I should move back there if i want to put up a team flag? Isn't that what the freedom of speech is all bout?

Anjin3515

11-26-2007, 05:47 PM

babyface

11-26-2007, 07:20 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

HORAH

Papa_Smurf

11-26-2007, 07:24 PM

Good stuff. The man did the right thing. Good to see.

rudz

11-26-2007, 11:10 PM

If it's in the USA then the f'n Mexican flag shouldn't even be on the flag pole.
You want to fly a Mexican flag, sneak your useless *** back across the border.

lol, ok a while back all the lil mexicans decided they wanted something or other...and they all wanted rights or some crap, well they all displayed mexican flags, it confused me, being that they wanted to be AMERICAN citizens, i mean, they freaking ran away from mexico and their proud to display that countrys flag? yeah you wanna fly another nations flag, go ahead, UNDER the american flag, why? cuz its our frigging country, you dont like it, gtfo, im hispanic, but im a ****ing american, and it some °°°°°°° is gonna put any flag over the US flag in gonna take that pos right on down and id like to see em try and stop me, seen these bastards on the freeway one day, with an american flag on their antenna, upside down..i swear to god i grabbed the nearest thing to me and threw it at there pos truck, and they ****ing deserved it, hell a few other cars noticed what i did, and the reason was pretty obvious...i think someone tried to run there °°°°° off the road, people died over that flag, and ill be damned is some °°°°°°° is gonna hang it upside down, and i think we need a law that prohibits the any disrespect of our flag, you get these idiots that hang it upside down or burn it, with no legal reprocusion, i say we draft them in the military and let them learn some ****ing respect..****ing °°°°°°°s..ok i think im done..:shoot:smart parts

Mind'sEye

11-26-2007, 11:31 PM

lol, ok a while back all the lil mexicans decided they wanted something or other...and they all wanted rights or some crap, well they all displayed mexican flags, it confused me, being that they wanted to be AMERICAN citizens, i mean, they freaking ran away from mexico and their proud to display that countrys flag? yeah you wanna fly another nations flag, go ahead, UNDER the american flag, why? cuz its our frigging country, you dont like it, gtfo, im hispanic, but im a ****ing american, and it some °°°°°°° is gonna put any flag over the US flag in gonna take that pos right on down and id like to see em try and stop me, seen these bastards on the freeway one day, with an american flag on their antenna, upside down..i swear to god i grabbed the nearest thing to me and threw it at there pos truck, and they ****ing deserved it, hell a few other cars noticed what i did, and the reason was pretty obvious...i think someone tried to run there °°°°° off the road, people died over that flag, and ill be damned is some °°°°°°° is gonna hang it upside down, and i think we need a law that prohibits the any disrespect of our flag, you get these idiots that hang it upside down or burn it, with no legal reprocusion, i say we draft them in the military and let them learn some ****ing respect..****ing °°°°°°°s..ok i think im done..:shoot:smart parts

:hail:!!!!

rudz

11-26-2007, 11:40 PM

Hooo ****ing Rahhh Mother ****ers

tymcneer

11-27-2007, 09:38 AM

Wow Rudz... Now don't hold back, tell us how you really feel ;)

As to the flag... This is our country! We, the American people, decided to have a code of conduct regarding flags in OUR country. Failure to follow that code cannot be attributed to ignorance, just as ignorance of a law in NOT a valid defense. Failure to follow OUR code in OUR country is a slap in the face to the American people. The laws and codes in this country, including the Bill of Rights, are what is supposed to protect our freedoms. Once people begin to disregard some of them, they all fall into the "disregard them at will" catagorey.

Since I am unable to view the video, as I am at work, I will refrain from commenting on the content of the video.

Ty

MadMarx

11-27-2007, 09:52 AM

http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/us-flag-640x480.jpg

tymcneer

11-27-2007, 10:12 AM

Thank you MadMarx! That was absolutely necessary!

Ty

grEnAlEins

11-27-2007, 11:01 AM

I know that illegal imigration is a big problem for the US. Even Canada has some issues. But who are we to dictate how others live there lives?

I know this is way out of context but if my favorite NHL team are the Ottawa Senators, I should move back there if i want to put up a team flag? Isn't that what the freedom of speech is all bout?

Violating flag code and free speech are totally separate issues. A guy or gal can have any flag they want, so long as The United States Flag Code is adhered to. They can have a Mexican flag and fly it proud. They have free speech. They cannot violate flag code. Violating flag code is not free speech.

Who are we to dictate how others live? MY TAXES pay for the services that these people use and abuse. MY medical bills, MY taxes, MY cost of living goes up because of societal leeching. And you tell me that I--who am providing the funding--have no say? HA! I find your stance absolutely appalling. Illegal immigrants are systematically diminishing quality of life in the United States.

michbich

11-27-2007, 03:24 PM

I have to appologize about my last post. By re-reading it, i realized that my intended message about the dectating was sending the complete oposite message of what i was trying to say. You are right grEnAlEins, you should have the right to decide how your money is spent, to who it goes to and that everyone must follow the law. My comment was not aimed at the illigal imigrants as they are hurting America but more in the lines of the legal imigrants that are living honnest lives and paying there taxes. The law is the law and everyone must follow the rules.

I am very sorry to have offended anyone, it really wasn't my intention and i deeply appologize.

Triangle

11-27-2007, 03:26 PM

I have to appologize about my last post. By re-reading it, i realized that my intended message about the dectating was sending the complete oposite message of what i was trying to say. You are right grEnAlEins, you should have the right to decide how your money is spent, to who it goes to and that everyone must follow the law. My comment was not aimed at the illigal imigrants but more in the lines of the legal imigrants that are living honnest lives and paying there taxes. The law is the law and everyone must follow the rules.

I am very sorry to have offended anyone, it really wasn't my intention and i deeply appologize.

No apology is needed at all, I think.

You posted what you thought, there's nothing wrong with that.

Mind'sEye

11-27-2007, 03:57 PM

No apology is needed at all, I think.

You posted what you thought, there's nothing wrong with that.

Yep, discussions in some of these O/T threads may get a little intense at times, but we should be thankful that we can discuss current issues with a little more depth and passion without having a mod mommy step in to close the thread. No need to apologize. Over a period of time we'll all learn where we stand, and hopefully we can learn to agree to disagree if necessary.

grEnAlEins

11-27-2007, 09:09 PM

No apology is needed at all, I think.

You posted what you thought, there's nothing wrong with that.

QFT. Sorry for my soapbox rant about your verbiage, michbich. It just seemed to me like that was what you were getting at and with so many people having the attitude that I loathe ever so much, I just figured that this was the case here. My bad.

As for legal immigrants... I love them. My grandparents and much more family are legal immigrants from Greece and my girlfriends family come from Mexico. I think that legal immigration is a wonderful thing. I are not an xenophobe:smarty: I just strongly dislike illegal immigration.

Not to knit pick at you again, but... Your NHL flag dilemma is a moot point, as you really should be rooting for the BLACKHAWKS!:p

On a serious note: Did you catch what I was saying about the free speech thing though? The shop owner is free to fly either or both flags if done correctly.

michbich

11-27-2007, 10:01 PM

The NHL thing was just a blownout of proportion example. I actualy don't even like hockey, i don't have a TV 8 months/year. I'm completely disconnected from reality except for the internet lol. I think i'm the only canadian that doesn't like hockey.

As far as i know, we don't have those laws arround here, so in all honesty, seeing two flags one on top of the other would not have sent me any bad vibes and i think that's why i missunderstood the video. Even i would have unkownwingly made that mistake if i moved to the US. On top of that, i would have lost a flag because of my ignorance lol.

I understand freedom of speech has to be controled in order to keep the peace or else everything would get out of hand. My question is this: is it still free speech if it is controled (i'm not just talking about imigrants, but in general)? I don't want to get :flames: for my obvious question, i'm just interested to know what your point of views are.

MedicDVG

11-28-2007, 12:46 AM

I have a flag on my wall. When I wake up it is one of the first things that I see. I am proud of our flag. I am sure the veteran who tore down the Mexican Flag is also very proud of the US flag and I support his doing so.

Now, the comments that perhaps the person flying the flag "didn't know" is pure balderdash.. (wierd the spellchecker considers that a real word.. anyway) If you read the news article there is the line "he flew the flag over the US flag apparently to make a political comment" or words to that effect. Hmmm that shows intent and knowledge.

no point really to my rambling other then to say if I see you mistreating the flag, or something.. I will speak up, I will ask that you correct it, I will take action if you don't.

http://www.2008tshirts.com/images/products/FLAG-BURN_2008.jpg

grEnAlEins

11-28-2007, 07:07 AM

"he flew the flag over the US flag apparently to make a political comment"

I do not think that speculation from a journalist in Omaha can be regarded as fact. Just saying. Maybe the guy really didn't know. Maybe he was trying to make a statement. I cannot say.

I also hand a flag in my room (at home). I do not do it at school because the walls in the dorms are so dirt that they would desecrate the flag, forcing my to have it burned and buy a new one. I just leave it hung at home.

grEnAlEins

11-28-2007, 07:19 AM

Also, I think that this point has been left out...

Flag Code Violations are non-criminal. I am not even sure that you can be civilly punished.

michbich

11-28-2007, 09:04 AM

grEnAlEins

11-28-2007, 10:17 AM

On a relative note, I watched Micheal Moores' "Sicko" recently. What do you guys think about Americans coming to Canada to get free healthcare and then going back to the US? I am neutral since they are not helping Canada by stealing and by slowing canadians to get care but on the other hand, how can we put a price on someone's life?

Moore's "documentaries" are hardly a reputable source for anything first of all, but that is for another thread.

What do I think about Americans going to Canada to take advantage of socialized medicine? I think Canada has every right to and should stop them. If I paid what you Canadians do in taxes, I would be greatly angered to begin with; and then to have somebody facilitate higher taxation due to abuse of the system, oh wow would be angry. The same thing happens here when people do not pay for medical care. The paying public is forced to absorb the cost.

Personally, I do not believe in socialized medicine to the degree that it exists, but that is another topic.

Mind'sEye

11-28-2007, 11:29 AM

I am neutral since they are not helping Canada by stealing and by slowing canadians to get care but on the other hand, how can we put a price on someone's life?

It's not up to you to place a value on anyone. It is up to the individual to determine their own value in accordance with the needs of society. In the case of U.S. Citizens going to Canada to take advantage of free healthcare, those people do not contribute to Canadian society, therefore they have NO value. That's why you shouldn't be able to just come over here, post your country's flag in the ground and start demanding "rights" if you're not a U.S. citizen.

Triangle

11-28-2007, 11:54 AM

Moore's "documentaries" are hardly a reputable source for anything first of all, but that is for another thread.

What do I think about Americans going to Canada to take advantage of socialized medicine? I think Canada has every right to and should stop them. If I paid what you Canadians do in taxes, I would be greatly angered to begin with; and then to have somebody facilitate higher taxation due to abuse of the system, oh wow would be angry. The same thing happens here when people do not pay for medical care. The paying public is forced to absorb the cost.

Personally, I do not believe in socialized medicine to the degree that it exists, but that is another topic.

Couldn't have said it better.