If you could chose any one thing to update your Mag...

[Dark Side]

What would it be? Would it be a new body or some type of new trigger frame. Maybe a more effiecient valve? I plan on starting a bit of R&D and want some input from the folks here.

[MedicDVG]

Hmmm.. thats a toughie.. I can live with the current efficiency of the valve, and the rest is particularly cosmetic. I dunno... maybe a better warp / q-loader type system...

[BigEvil]

Tough to say. Valve efficiency is always a gripe... but a hard nut to bust. I would love to have my Xmag be able to run off of a 9v battery instead of that heavy and expensive proprietary monster that it needs now.

[ClassicMagger]

Hey:

I'd like a valve redesign. Take off the back reg. to the valve recreate it into a foregrip. Run all the lines internally except from the ASA to said new foregrip. And make it ridiculously more efficient.

-ClassicMagger

[Dark Side]

Hey:

I'd like a valve redesign. Take off the back reg. to the valve recreate it into a foregrip. Run all the lines internally except from the ASA to said new foregrip. And make it ridiculously more efficient.

-ClassicMagger

That is a helluva great idea.

[grEnAlEins]

I am doing an EPMag right now and it addresses everything except for the air use. I wish it could run deeper into a tank...

BigE, didn't you do an EPMag that used a 9V? The one with the Alien/NME board I thought... Coulda sworn I asked you for some input on how to best do mine some time ago...

[tymcneer]

How about a drop in pneumag "cartridge"? Better yet, make it so it has the regulator, valve and piston all in one package. Even better... make it so you can use mechanical mode if crap happens.

Just a thought...

Ty

[grEnAlEins]

How about a drop in pneumag "cartridge"?

That has been done IIRC... Someone was selling some on Ebay.

Does anyone else remember what I am talking about?

[redic]

wow this takes some thought i like my mags

but a wider selection of shims would be nice...that way things could be tuned a little more fine...but that is just me


and ty i know you told me what i can do but sometimes i am filling a little lazy and want the easy way out

[Geronimo7]

Ya uh.....how bout a new E-mag trigger. The 2 aftermarket ones now are pretty much impossible to find.:grr: < thats me venting

[Triangle]

I'd have the entire thing redesigned.

[ta2maki]

Hey:

I'd like a valve redesign. Take off the back reg. to the valve recreate it into a foregrip. Run all the lines internally except from the ASA to said new foregrip. And make it ridiculously more efficient.

-ClassicMagger

I'm with this. In addition to relocating the valve, I would like to see a redesign of the on/off. Instead of having the air come from the top of the pin, pushing out. Have a balanced on/off so the trigger pull effort is reduced, no need for a pneumag conversion.

[BlueDragonX]

I'm with this. In addition to relocating the valve, I would like to see a redesign of the on/off. Instead of having the air come from the top of the pin, pushing out. Have a balanced on/off so the trigger pull effort is reduced, no need for a pneumag conversion.

I've actually been playing with this idea, as well as methods for removing the sear while keeping it fully mechanical. That second part is particularly difficult, to say the least.

Some efficiency improvements would be nice, but frankly I don't think it's entirely necessary. I'm perfectly content with my capability to shoot only 900 rounds.

If I were to do anything specific to my E-Mag right now it would be to get a Karta body/rail and get the whole thing re-anno'd. But I'm broke and I'm moving to a new job and a new city and state soon, so it'll have to wait. Priorities of being an adult I suppose...

[Ninjeff]

I'd like it to shoot a bit deeper into the tank myself, but other than that....its a tough choice....id like a wider selection of rails to choose from personally.

[Dark Side]

I'd like it to shoot a bit deeper into the tank myself, but other than that....its a tough choice....id like a wider selection of rails to choose from personally.

Paging RPG....


1. I'm working on the valve design now. This would potentially fix the sear question
2. Shim sizing is an easy fix.
3. E/Xmag triggers. I'll forward the designs to RPG.
4. Pneu catridges. I'd rather not get sued so I'll leave it to someone else.

[IronHyde]

well, im going to be making some emag triggers myself.

I too am unsatisfied with looking for someone to sell me a trigger are a reasonable cost. So im going to be making my own, should be available by christmas time, im going start a Testing the waters post to get some feedback on the design.

The absolute only thing i want for my mag would be an internal routed airline but that would be tough without running through the rail. Ill be addressing this problem on my own marker after i make some triggers.

[Geronimo7]

Thats what i'm talkin about :hitit:

[punkncat]

Mini anyone?

[PneuMagger]

I would have to say a new valve like classicmagger said. And remove the reg from the body of the valve.

I got sick of waiting so I made my own:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Senior%20Project/071121_152026.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Senior%20Project/071121_152246.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xri1b4kpRcE (just skip to the end for shooting)

[Anjin3515]

ok...maybe I am in the minority....but I wouldn't mind some cosmetic upgrades.
Yeah...I like the whole mil-sim thing :)

[TnDeathInc]

new board, more trigger options for emags and mags in general, you cant find them....

and a new rogue chord body/rail

[Dark Side]

well, im going to be making some emag triggers myself.

I too am unsatisfied with looking for someone to sell me a trigger are a reasonable cost. So im going to be making my own, should be available by christmas time, im going start a Testing the waters post to get some feedback on the design. .

If you don't mind me asking, what designs have you come up with?


The absolute only thing i want for my mag would be an internal routed airline but that would be tough without running through the rail. Ill be addressing this problem on my own marker after i make some triggers.

I was going to go with an integrated trigger frame and fore grip having the air line run through it. I figured I could pick up an "***" frame on the cheap to slaughter.

[BigEvil]

I am doing an EPMag right now and it addresses everything except for the air use. I wish it could run deeper into a tank...

BigE, didn't you do an EPMag that used a 9V? The one with the Alien/NME board I thought... Coulda sworn I asked you for some input on how to best do mine some time ago...

Yes, I did. It was alot of fun. I took that beast apart and it exists in various forms throughout my collection. Someday I will re-visit the concept. Some stock parts that I used I just wasnt happy with. I like to do things "RIGHT". Once I have the ability to make some of my own parts, I will start tinkering with that again.

[BigEvil]

So let me ask you mag guys out there; and this is purely out of my own curiosity, so don't read anything into it. IF you could get a 'bolt-on' Electro frame or Electro Pneumatic frame for your mag, that could work with just about any agd marker - BUT required a larger rail which looked more like a 'tray' on a imp or viking, would you be interested in it?

[TnDeathInc]

yes i want and evilmag if thats what your saying, ill go ahead and prepay :)

[IronHyde]

Im making a S style trigger like a tunablade. its going to have a few differences but for the most part will be similair to a tunablade, im also going to make a few different ones for myself. Ive got a friend of mine helping me with them but he will be teaching me to use cad and all that so i could come up with my own designs.

[mongoose]

yes i want and evilmag if thats what your saying, ill go ahead and prepay :)

Evilmag....that has a nice ring to it:candle:

[Ninjeff]

So let me ask you mag guys out there; and this is purely out of my own curiosity, so don't read anything into it. IF you could get a 'bolt-on' Electro frame or Electro Pneumatic frame for your mag, that could work with just about any agd marker - BUT required a larger rail which looked more like a 'tray' on a imp or viking, would you be interested in it?

Id have to see the rail, but you have peaked my curiosity.

[TnDeathInc]

no follow up, what you talking about willis!

[ClassicMagger]

Hey:

BigEvil-I'm assuming the kit would be similar in change up like the Imp Kit was for sheridan markers?

If so I MIGHT be interested depending on the bulk you speak of.

-ClassicMagger

[grEnAlEins]

Maybe, but prolly not. My EPMag is almost done, so I have no real need.

[BigEvil]

Hey:

BigEvil-I'm assuming the kit would be similar in change up like the Imp Kit was for sheridan markers?

If so I MIGHT be interested depending on the bulk you speak of.

-ClassicMagger

Well, after looking at how everyone mods their mags, and doing several of my own, ive concluded that all of them leave alot to be desired. One of the limiting factors is the physical room inside the rail.

So I always wanted a rail with enough room in it to be able to fit whatever I'd like to stuff in it - ram, noid, battery, or whatever.

I would really like to ditch those little mpa3 rams and use something like a cocker ram to toggle the sear - only I want to keep it in the rail.



Im always throwing stuff around inside my head.

[PneuMagger]

Id have to see the rail, but you have peaked my curiosity.

piqued is the correct usage.

DONT let me catch you stating otherwise in the future.

:smarty:

[Ninjeff]

piqued is the correct usage.

DONT let me catch you stating otherwise in the future.

:smarty:

SIR YES SIR!

[Dark Side]

Well, after looking at how everyone mods their mags, and doing several of my own, ive concluded that all of them leave alot to be desired. One of the limiting factors is the physical room inside the rail.

So I always wanted a rail with enough room in it to be able to fit whatever I'd like to stuff in it - ram, noid, battery, or whatever.

I would really like to ditch those little mpa3 rams and use something like a cocker ram to toggle the sear - only I want to keep it in the rail.



Im always throwing stuff around inside my head.

I'm working on a combined front ASA/grip frame with a good bit of room to integrate a reg into. I'll try to work a rail into it.

[Anjin3515]

I cant mod something to save my life.
Id love to have an a simple "add on" that made my mag electro.
Something akin to the Tippmann E-Grip....you just hook it up and away you go.
If it took a new rail Im down for that.

Here is the key. I am an idiot. Make it simple to install, include everything you need to make it work. If I can buy one total package...and I don't have to mill anything, or drill my ASA or whatever....then Id be all over it.

[BigEvil]

I got to take a close look at a raw XT Ripper body. It wasnt bad. It looked like crap IMO though and I would never want one. My issues with it come from the fact it is not finished. Like TND said, there is a TON of polishing that needs to be done to it. The tool marks are very prevalent, and not easy to clean up if you are not an experienced polisher. There was also a sharp bur on the inside bottom of where the feed neck screws in. I would guess that it might be eaten away when or if it was anodized, but left like that would be asking for trouble.

I understand the guy wanting to keep costs down as low as possible, but really, only bad things can come of letting raw unfinished products out to the public. Even if it was made from a real AGD slug. I supposed that if you had one that were, at least you might not have to worry about burs inside the feed neck tube.

:twocents:

[tymcneer]

I cant mod something to save my life.
Id love to have an a simple "add on" that made my mag electro.
Something akin to the Tippmann E-Grip....you just hook it up and away you go.
If it took a new rail Im down for that.

Here is the key. I am an idiot. Make it simple to install, include everything you need to make it work. If I can buy one total package...and I don't have to mill anything, or drill my ASA or whatever....then Id be all over it.

Unfortunately, Smart Parts would be all over the manufacturer. They want their pint of blood for everything paintball marker and electronic.

I have a HyperFrame. They are the "bolt on" solution you seek, except that they are difficult to find, and expensive.

Ty

[robnix]

What would it be? Would it be a new body or some type of new trigger frame. Maybe a more effiecient valve? I plan on starting a bit of R&D and want some input from the folks here.

An on/off switch for my Emag. That's about it.

[Dark Side]

An on/off switch for my Emag. That's about it.

A simple fix. Anyone with a solder gun and a drill can take care of that.

[Dark Side]

Update time. I have come up with preliminary plans. Both would essentially replace the grip frame and rail with a newer model. These would be compatible with all mech Mags (except for the original RT).

Method 1: Install a reg into the front grip and remove the sear assembly from a Mag.

Hurdles:
Gain the ok from PTP for the actuation method in the plans. (More of mountain chain to cross than a hurdle. :wall:)

Method 2: Install reg in front grip frame using existing frame in method 1. Modify sear assembly with a new on/off thereby dodging PTP interferance.

Hurdles:
Not nearly as plentiful as method 1. Machining would be the next biggest thing.

[warbeak2099]

A redesign of the valve would be the best thing.

I had an idea to replace the on/off with an electro mechanical solenoid. This would eliminate the sear completely and make tons of room in the frame. The rail and valve of course would need to be redesigned to accommodate this. It would be a pull type noid so when the trigger is pulled gas is released to the powertube and the bolt slams forwards. When the dwell period is over, the noid re-seals the powertube from the dump chamber. Seems cool to me.

[Dark Side]

A redesign of the valve would be the best thing.

I had an idea to replace the on/off with an electro mechanical solenoid. This would eliminate the sear completely and make tons of room in the frame. The rail and valve of course would need to be redesigned to accommodate this. It would be a pull type noid so when the trigger is pulled gas is released to the powertube and the bolt slams forwards. When the dwell period is over, the noid re-seals the powertube from the dump chamber. Seems cool to me.

I have thought of this same idea as well as deleting the sear intirely. The problem comes with the way the on/off is designed. The on/off allows a small amount of gas into the chamber behind the bolt. when the sear is actuated the bolt slams forward by this pressure at the same moment the on/off stops any more gas from coming into the chamber. The biggest problem with the idea is how long does the solenoid/ new version of on/off stay open = how much gas do you let into the chamber= low efficiency . The sear acts as a 2 stage switch when working with the on/off. This keeps extra gas from escaping though the bolt when fired.

I should have a working prototype in the next few weeks thanks to Mann.

[warbeak2099]

So a lower dwell would increase efficiency.

[Dark Side]

Potentially. But unless a second on/off downstream from the chamber would be needed. And all that would do, is over complicate the matter.

[warbeak2099]

Why would that be needed?

[ghostdog2019]

Well, after looking at how everyone mods their mags, and doing several of my own, ive concluded that all of them leave alot to be desired. One of the limiting factors is the physical room inside the rail.

So I always wanted a rail with enough room in it to be able to fit whatever I'd like to stuff in it - ram, noid, battery, or whatever.

I would really like to ditch those little mpa3 rams and use something like a cocker ram to toggle the sear - only I want to keep it in the rail.



Im always throwing stuff around inside my head.

PM is being sent your way.

[Dark Side]

Why would that be needed?

Once opened, the solenoid valve would allow an unspecific amount of gas into the bolt. The correct amount of pressure/volume would not be waiting at the bolt for firing.

If the chamber can be moved upsteam from the valve and a venturi installed right behind the bolt, I can see they idea working. Thus not needing the current sear, but as the valve would already be completly reworked a modified sear wouldn't be hard to incorporate.

[angrysasquatch]

On the balanced on/off train of thought, wouldn't it be possible to use a spring somewhere on the sear pushing the sear back? When pressurized, the on/off would overcome it and shift the sear (and trigger) into a pullable position. Probably also have a setscrew behind it since the on/off force would change with the pressure.

Please excuse my picture
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8328/95523908jn9.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95523908jn9.jpg)

It should make the pull lighter, but possibly delayed and may lose the "crisp" pull of mags. Anyone else thought of this?

[ThePixelGuru]

I'd like to see electro and/or pneumatic trigger frames on stock 'mags from AGD. Not likely, though. Improved efficiency and shooting deeper into the tank couldn't hurt, either.

[Iceman]

Ya uh.....how bout a new E-mag trigger. The 2 aftermarket ones now are pretty much impossible to find.:grr: < thats me venting

Yeah... new triggers would be cool. Heck, I'd even love to get one of the older nice triggers (like the Viperblade Pro or the Tunablade). Whenever I have the money, though, they seem to be sold out.

And I don't know about everyone else, but I hate push-button safeties. I know everyone uses them, but I'd love a switch safety.... like what they have on most real firearms. It'd be easy to design, too.

[Iceman]

piqued is the correct usage.

DONT let me catch you stating otherwise in the future.

:smarty:


Yes! I won't be the only grammar nazi here!

[Looper]

well, im going to be making some emag triggers myself.

I too am unsatisfied with looking for someone to sell me a trigger are a reasonable cost. So im going to be making my own, should be available by christmas time, im going start a Testing the waters post to get some feedback on the design.
I am also looking to make a new E/XMag trigger. I have a Euro XMag and a project EMag that I am working on this winter and with the lack of good triggers available it has forced me to look at making my own. I have recreated the Stock EMag trigger in 3D CAD and have started to work on a new design using the original pivot points and magnet locations. Once I have the design done I will probably make a few rough version to test but then look for to a local Shop with CNC to produce the finished product.

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/501/medium/EMag-Trigger-3Da.jpg

[Dark Side]

On the balanced on/off train of thought, wouldn't it be possible to use a spring somewhere on the sear pushing the sear back? When pressurized, the on/off would overcome it and shift the sear (and trigger) into a pullable position. Probably also have a setscrew behind it since the on/off force would change with the pressure.

Please excuse my picture
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8328/95523908jn9.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95523908jn9.jpg)

It should make the pull lighter, but possibly delayed and may lose the "crisp" pull of mags. Anyone else thought of this?

I have a similiar idea, except it involves a spring riding the on/off pin = less pressure to needed for reactivity. A new sear can be used to compinsate for the added pressure.

[Pillage]

An off the shelf direct right feed body for my classic RT, and Viking like air use.

[pontiac2m8]

Efficiency is always good thing.

[AGDlover]

I've always thought of a LP mag Idea and I was actualy thinking about it a little bit ago looking at how the valve works and I might have something in mind.... hmmm one day... :evillaugh:

[A-Tach-One]

Whatever happend to your electro vert frame idea for the E/XMags that you planned on doing? ^^^^

[AGDlover]

bah kinda got frustrated I brang my design into school to try and transfer it to Autocad and have my enginering/Design teacher try and transfer it to MasterCAM, make up the mill plot but it could never transfer right over to AutoCAD so it was lost a that. I had a few designs on my computer in 3d for refranceing for milling jobs for my emag.

[txaggie08]

Bolt on, AFFORDABLE, E-trigger frame(ie about 200-250 wihtout eyes..) based on the pneu design. internal LPR, with an external option...

that or someone figure out how to shoe horn one of the MQ valves into a valve....

[AirAssault]

Well I would like to make it out of plastic, give it eyes and put MSRP around $100, oh wait, never mind thats been done by ** :crazy:

Of course better use of the air would be nice, but every thing else is cool.

[snoopay700]

A viperblade pro, i don't think that i need a pneumag anymore, as i'm poor and can't afford to waste paint as it is, and i don't normally.

[chibi.penguin85]

I dont think I would change anything. If you changed it then it wouldnt be a mag anymore.

[Motorhead]

Choose to remain an old school mag owner ...

Would LOVE to have a Powerlyte "Scepter" style twist-loc barrel for my Classic mag.