Bob Long Vice [Archive]

bryceeden

11-29-2007, 03:22 PM

Well, its finally been released. I'm not sure if I like the look, but the Protege looks way better in real life than in the first pics that Bob Long released so we'll see this could be the same way. I should have some in in a few days and I'll get some pics of them then.

http://i4.tinypic.com/6tc86fr.jpg

If nothing else it has some very nice features especially considering its price.

For the Gen 5 Timmys they have compleatly redesigned Ram and poppit system, done away with the Rocket cap compleatly, redesigned the bolt system, shortened the marker(its now about the same lenth as the mini), changed the regulators, use a new valve, it uses a Marq frame and board, is 4 eye compatable, and will now get over 2000 shots off of a 68/4500psi.

This over the Protege: This is lighter, more intricatly milled, comes with a Tadao board, has a pillow bolt, a lever lock feedneck, Marqee 2 piece barrel, and is even more air efficient do to some internal upgrades.

bread_da_painter

11-29-2007, 03:55 PM

reminds me of a ego with custom milling..

i like it .. alot

Iggy42

11-29-2007, 04:05 PM

Probably because its a Timmy and Ego's ripped Timmies off

Me likey

bryceeden

11-29-2007, 04:06 PM

reminds me of a ego with custom milling..

i like it .. alot

Its funny because the Ego is a Timmy clone:rofl2:

I just talked to one of the testers, he claims he got 11 Pods off of a 68/45 tank that was only filled to about 2600PSI. Its also the lightest marker out right now. Plus it has the Pillow bolt, Tadao board, Marqee Barrel, bearing trigger, lever lock feed neck, and is 4 eye compatable. With this at $750 it makes all the other high end stuff seem very very overpriced.

11-29-2007, 04:11 PM

Its funny because the Ego is a Timmy clone:rofl2:

which is a rip of a spyder

bryceeden

11-29-2007, 04:16 PM

which is a rip of a spyder

Kind of but not really, its a similar theory but thats about it. The only difference between the Timmy and the Ego is where the bolt locks onto the ram and afew pointless QEVs.

flank

11-29-2007, 04:26 PM

wow the vice looks sweet, thanks for sharing bryceeden I can't wait for you to get one so I can see some more pics lol :)

manwe33

11-29-2007, 05:49 PM

Thanks for sharing i love the way it looks.

t0nnn

11-29-2007, 07:02 PM

yeah that milling is tight, deff diggin it

MedicDVG

11-29-2007, 07:45 PM

punkncat

11-29-2007, 07:57 PM

meh... just another timmy... I have never really liked timmys... the dragon timmy series were down right biologically ugly.

They shoot ok, but they are not for me.

That and I am still not much of a Bob Long fan in general.

QFT

Not much of a fan, and really considering that Bob (along with several others) just barely evolved the basic stacked tube concept....I just never have been too crazy about evolved clones.

Sorry, a Spyder by any other name......

Triangle

11-29-2007, 07:59 PM

which is a rip of a spyder

AAAAAND INCORRECT.

Lurk Moar

TnDeathInc

11-30-2007, 05:29 AM

Bryce

I really like the looks of those, and for $750? Hmm whats your PBlegion member price?

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 05:37 AM

$750(I can't let myself go below MAP)

Anjin3515

11-30-2007, 05:37 AM

I am really torn on the looks of this. Part of me likes it and part of me thinks the milling is sort of mish-mosh. I cant make up my mind.

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 06:21 AM

Bob Long needs to stop pumping out ugly guns like Brittany needs to stop pumping out ugly kids...

This thing is no better looking than the past timmies.

The eye covers look like they have NO business being there they screw up the whole flow, and what the hell is up with that little flaw just ahead of the eyes?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/neppo1345/vice.jpg

Making complex curves flow together is tough...but if you can't do it correctly don't even bother. My eye is just drawn to it every time I look at the gun.

Also, to everyone comapring it to the Ego:

At least Eclipse switched some things up in 2007, the timmy has been the same (with the exception of the clamshell switch in 04(?)) since 2000. Eclipse at least tried something new.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 07:04 AM

and what the hell is up with that little flaw just ahead of the eyes?

The "Flaw" is a reflection in the silver anno.

At least Eclipse switched some things up in 2007, the timmy has been the same (with the exception of the clamshell switch in 04(?)) since 2000. Eclipse at least tried something new.

Eclipse never switched anything up. What did they do give you the option of optical or micro switch? What did they try new? Eclipse stole Bob Longs gen 3 design added worthless QEVs and learned how to hype it to Aggletts nothing more.

As far as the Timmys being the same since 2000. There are 5 generations of Intimidators the newest being the Protege and Vice. All five are very very different as well as differences within each generation from year to year. From the gen four(06) to gen five(08) there are alot of differences. First a whole new valve, built in volumizer, whole new ram and popit system, new board style, 4 eye system, new bolt style, new regulator, new selanoid style, whole new frame, and a huge wieght loss. Plus its now the most air efficient marker out by far. Whats the difference between the Ego6 and Ego8? Not much at all really. I am an Eclipse dealer as well, this isn't some Bob Long dealer bashing the competition deal(actually I have a slightly higher mark up on Eclipse stuff) its the facts of the matter.

Also, to everyone comapring it to the Ego:
This is lighter, much more air efficient, has less recoil, has a better board, is less likely to break paint, won't bend in half at the frame, has a better warenty, hasn't already had a major recall due to shody manufacturing, and is $500 cheaper than an Ego 8.

Triangle

11-30-2007, 07:24 AM

sepplainer

11-30-2007, 07:41 AM

This is lighter, much more air efficient, has less recoil, has a better board, is less likely to break paint, won't bend in half at the frame, has a better warenty, hasn't already had a major recall due to shody manufacturing, and is $500 cheaper than an Ego 8.

The only people who know if thise statments are true work for Bob Long. You don't have one in your hands to tell us if any of the salesmens comments were true right? I have never seen a EGO or ETEK "bend in half at frame". I would rather have an ETEK over any timmy.
BL timmys = first agglet guns.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 07:55 AM

The only people who know if thise statments are true work for Bob Long. You don't have one in your hands to tell us if any of the salesmens comments were true right? I have never seen a EGO or ETEK "bend in half at frame". I would rather have an ETEK over any timmy.
BL timmys = first agglet guns.

I do have a Protege and they are true. The only real difference between this and the Protege is the barrel, board, and milling. The Ego 7 has had quite a few problems bending at the frame they shaved so much off of it to get it light that they kind of comprimised the frame quality they may have fixed that for the Ego8 time will tell but the 8 has already had one major recall and it hasn't been out that long. You still can't get around the fact that the Ego is in fact a Timmy clone. I'm done bashing the EGO, this thread is about the Vice not the Ego. Every one is entitled to thier opinion, mine just happend to be that while this marker is kind of ugly it is the best new highend marker this year. And its undeniable that its $500 cheaper than anything near its level of performance. You can get alot of paint for $500. Go find someone with a Gen 5 Timmy and try it, I promise you'll be impressed this is the first new marker to come out in a while I am actually excited about.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 08:06 AM

Looks terrible, but it'd look SLIGHTLY better with a longer barrel.
Imagine it with a 16 incher and it looks a LITTLE better. 'Longer' setups IMO look better but jesus those lines make me lol.

It reminds me of heading into the Voided warranty section and looking and children ruin their markers with dremels.

To me it looks like a Marq 6 that someone ran over and flattened out. I'm not real big on the look, a longer barrel would help. With where they shortened the body so much(its about as long as the Mini) it looks too tall, if it was stretched out the length of an Alias it would look better as well. The Protege is simply amazing so I'm sure this will be an awsome preformer.

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:08 AM

I do have a Protege and they are true. The only real difference between this and the Protege is the barrel, board, and milling. The Ego 7 has had quite a few problems bending at the frame they shaved so much off of it to get it light that they kind of comprimised the frame quality they may have fixed that for the Ego8 time will tell but the 8 has already had one major recall and it hasn't been out that long. You still can't get around the fact that the Ego is in fact a Timmy clone. I'm done bashing the EGO, this thread is about the Vice not the Ego. Every one is entitled to thier opinion, mine just happend to be that while this marker is kind of ugly it is the best new highend marker this year. And its undeniable that its $500 cheaper than anything near its level of performance. You can get alot of paint for $500. Go find someone with a Gen 5 Timmy and try it, I promise you'll be impressed this is the first new marker to come out in a while I am actually excited about.

I can second the structural integrity issues that Bryce brings up.

I's difficult to take you seriously, Sepp (so i won't) when you defend ego/eteks but will not shoot a timmy because people you don't like shoot them.:)

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:13 AM

To me it looks like a Marq 6 that someone ran over and flattened out. I'm not real big on the look, a longer barrel would help. With where they shortened the body so much(its about as long as the Mini) it looks too tall, if it was stretched out the length of an Alias it would look better as well. The Protege is simply amazing so I'm sure this will be an awsome preformer.

Agreed on all points, Bryce.

De-rail commencing;

I remember when the Alias and newer style timmies came out. I liked them so much more than the older styles not simply because of any improve internally, but because of the frame geometry and placement thereof.
It made SUCH a huge difference, those older dragon timmies made me cringe, but they actually looked a great deal better with the newer frames.

It's difficult for me to knock any gun on any sort of serious note aside from aesthetics, if it'll put paint on someone else, I'll shoot it.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 08:20 AM

Agreed on all points, Bryce.

De-rail commencing;

I remember when the Alias and newer style timmies came out. I liked them so much more than the older styles not simply because of any improve internally, but because of the frame geometry and placement thereof.
It made SUCH a huge difference, those older dragon timmies made me cringe, but they actually looked a great deal better with the newer frames.

It's difficult for me to knock any gun on any sort of serious note aside from aesthetics, if it'll put paint on someone else, I'll shoot it.

The Gen 1 Timmys were hidious, 2s were OK ish kind of, the Gen three(alias) style look best IMO(and thats when they fixed that horrable FSDO problem which was a big plus). The A-Bomb is still my favorite Intimidator. I'll shoot most stuff, but I am very picky about quality as I am very hard on my gear it gets banged up and beat up real fast(don't buy my old used markers) and I expect it to keep working flawlessly. That use to be about everything, but now alot of stuff just doesn't stand up.

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:22 AM

The Gen 1 Timmys were hidious, 2s were OK ish kind of, the Gen three(alias) style look best IMO. The A-Bomb is still my favorite Intimidator. I'll shoot most stuff, but I am very picky about quality as I am very hard on my gear it gets banged up and scratched up real fast(don't buy my old used markers) and I expect it to keep working flawlessly. That use to be about everything, but now alot of stuff just doesn't stand up.

I hated the newer style timmies, as far as I know, there were only like what, three of them? The two team ones, and the generic one. (Unless Im getting my gen's mixed up)
I liked the longer bodies.

I think we're all in agreement that the attatched picture sums up this new marker.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/StaticKnight/1182560083741.jpg

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 08:31 AM

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:34 AM

There was only one or two Gen 1s, there were afew Gen 2s the Dragon, 2K2, Species, Ironman(ripper), and maybe afew others, TONS of Gen 3s the Alias, Lasoya, Infamous, Empire, Abomb, Ripper 2 and alot more, there were three Gen 4s the 06 Empire, 06 Infamous, and Ripper 3, The Gen 5s so far are the Protege and Vice.

In a color other than silver with a longer barrel the vice may look OK, but yes from what we have now I'm not a huge fan yet but the Protege looks alot better in person than in the pics. I see the Vice milling being either you love it or you hate it with no real middle ground.

There we go,I was incorrect.
This is what I was trying to convey;

EWW
http://www.rightattitudepaintball.g2gm.com/images/dragonbluefade3in.jpg

TOTALLY SWEET
http://www.pb4less.com/shop/images/Laysoya2.jpg

OH WHAT THE HELL
http://www.allpaintballsupplies.com/images/06%20infamous%20timmy.jpg

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 08:39 AM

There we go,I was incorrect.
This is what I was trying to convey;

What is that!! Barf
http://jerryspaintball.com/images/bob%20long%20classic%20intimidator.jpg

EWW
http://www.rightattitudepaintball.g2gm.com/images/dragonbluefade3in.jpg

TOTALLY SWEET
http://www.pb4less.com/shop/images/Laysoya2.jpg

OH WHAT THE HELL
http://www.allpaintballsupplies.com/images/06%20infamous%20timmy.jpg

http://i4.tinypic.com/6tc86fr.jpg

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:40 AM

I have to admit, the 'BARF' made me laugh pretty hard.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 08:42 AM

So yes, thats all five Generations of Intimidator history

Triangle

11-30-2007, 08:44 AM

So yes, thats all five Generations of Intimidator history

You'refive generations of intimidator history.

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 09:27 AM

The "Flaw" is a reflection in the silver anno.

Eclipse never switched anything up. What did they do give you the option of optical or micro switch? What did they try new? Eclipse stole Bob Longs gen 3 design added worthless QEVs and learned how to hype it to Aggletts nothing more.

So the tolerances are the same? I can take apart my 05 ego and swap the parts with a timmy... I think not. Theres a big difference between "stealing a design" and "improving on an existing design". If thats the case then all bob did was seal off the lower tube of a spyder and add a solenoid.

As far as the Timmys being the same since 2000. There are 5 generations of Intimidators the newest being the Protege and Vice. All five are very very different as well as differences within each generation from year to year. From the gen four(06) to gen five(08) there are alot of differences. First a whole new valve, built in volumizer, whole new ram and popit system, new board style, 4 eye system, new bolt style, new regulator, new selanoid style, whole new frame, and a huge wieght loss. Plus its now the most air efficient marker out by far. Whats the difference between the Ego6 and Ego8? Not much at all really. I am an Eclipse dealer as well, this isn't some Bob Long dealer bashing the competition deal(actually I have a slightly higher mark up on Eclipse stuff) its the facts of the matter.

The Ego has been around for three years and is alread on it's second iteration. 05, 06 -> 07: Got rid of rammer sleeve, new ram and poppit, new LPR, new board, new grip frame, went from sprung trigger to magnetic, new solenoid, innovative T Rail, AND the choice between a micro switch or break beam trigger.

This is lighter, much more air efficient, has less recoil, has a better board, is less likely to break paint, won't bend in half at the frame, has a better warenty, hasn't already had a major recall due to shody manufacturing, and is $500 cheaper than an Ego 8.

I dont have a weight on the vice...do you?
I don't have an effeciency number on the vice...do you?
I have never shot a vice...have you?
Please explain why the board is so superior, and how is it less likely to break paint?

Shoddy manufacturing? You've got to be kidding me. Thats the reason why long still uses ram sleeves; because they can't control the tolerences tightly enough on their bodies. Recalls happen. Eclipse could just have easily never said a word about it (theres no safety concern).

Triangle

11-30-2007, 09:28 AM

So the tolerances are the same? I can take apart my 05 ego and swap the parts with a timmy... I think not. Theres a big difference between "stealing a design" and "improving on an existing design". If thats the case then all bob did was seal off the lower tube of a spyder and add a solenoid.

The Ego has been around for three years and is alread on it's second iteration. 05, 06 -> 07: Got rid of rammer sleeve, new ram and poppit, new LPR, new board, new grip frame, went from sprung trigger to magnetic, new solenoid, innovative T Rail, AND the choice between a micro switch or break beam trigger.

I dont have a weight on the vice...do you?
I don't have an effeciency number on the vice...do you?
I have never shot a vice...have you?
Please explain why the board is so superior, and how is it less likely to break paint?

Shoddy manufacturing? You've got to be kidding me. Thats the reason why long still uses ram sleeves; because they can't control the tolerences tightly enough on their bodies. Recalls happen. Eclipse could just have easily never said a word about it (theres no safety concern).

What the hell do you know anyway, tim?

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 09:33 AM

What the hell do you know anyway, tim?

Absolutely nothing.

I'm going to get back to fixing airplanes and stuff now.

Triangle

11-30-2007, 09:35 AM

Absolutely nothing.

I'm going to get back to fixing airplanes and stuff now.

Whatever shorty.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 09:36 AM

...........

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd91/bryceeden/intimidator.gif

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd91/bryceeden/ego.gif

Yep they're pretty different, no way the Ego is a ripoff:rolleyes:

All the stuff for the Ego7 from the Ego6 with the exception of the regs didn't do anything for the preformance, it didn't make it more effiecient, better on paint, faster, nothing. It was all astetics and ergonomics depending on who you ask. I'm through with the Ego argument. If you like your Ego good for you. I am a dealer and a tech for both and in my opinion the Intimidator is by far the superior marker especially now end of story. Now if you want to talk Ego start an Ego thread, this is a thread about the Vice and Intimidators so please keep your Ego out of it from here on out. Thank you.

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 10:14 AM

Yep they're pretty different, no way the Ego is a ripoff:rolleyes:

All the stuff for the Ego7 from the Ego6 with the exception of the regs didn't do anything for the preformance, it didn't make it more effiecient, better on paint, faster, nothing. It was all astetics and ergonomics depending on who you ask. I'm through with the Ego argument. If you like your Ego good for you. I am a dealer and a tech for both and in my opinion the Intimidator is by far the superior marker especially now end of story. Now if you want to talk Ego start an Ego thread, this is a thread about the Vice and Intimidators so please keep your Ego out of it from here on out. Thank you.

To set things straight.

1. I did not introduce the Ego discussion into this thread, mearly commented on it. You apparently took some great offense to the fact that another gun is better than a Timmy.

2. Pulling the "I'm a dealer and a certified technician" card to act like your opinion means anything is halarious. I've met more "certified technicians" than you could imagine who dont know their **** from a screwdriver . I'm a player who has played with both, and from my standpoint the ego is better. If the dealers and techs like a gun better, good for them. We'll let them keep bob long in business.

3. Of course they're similar. Theres only so many ways to use pressurized fluid to accelerate a projectile to 300fps. I love when people aren't mentally capable of understanding nuances between products. I guess you think that Honda ripped off GM too eh? They both have an engine, 4 doors, and will do 65 mph. I mean damn, thats like the exact same thing.

I'll leave it at that.

sepplainer

11-30-2007, 10:20 AM

Well I can say the more I read this thread the more I see that picture and the Vice is growing on me. :)

TnDeathInc

11-30-2007, 10:26 AM

same.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 10:31 AM

Well I can say the more I read this thread the more I see that picture and the Vice is growing on me. :)

I think in a different color it would look good. A gloss black would be nice.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 10:34 AM

.......

You seem like you've had a bad day, they make medication for that now:D

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 10:45 AM

You seem like you've had a bad day, they make medication for that now:D

I haven't shot anyone for 2 weeks.

Theres a lot more too, but this isn't a live journal entry.

TnDeathInc

11-30-2007, 10:47 AM

O/T forum is let it all brother.:D

Triangle

11-30-2007, 10:50 AM

I haven't shot anyone for 2 weeks.

Theres a lot more too, but this isn't a live journal entry.

Did you want your reg back?

Rudz is fat.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 10:50 AM

I haven't shot anyone for 2 weeks.

Theres a lot more too, but this isn't a live journal entry.

I know the feeling, two people having bad days and disaggreing on something minor has a way of escalating rediculasly fast.

Neppo1345

11-30-2007, 11:01 AM

So...uhhh, back on topic.

How much does this thing weigh?

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 11:11 AM

So...uhhh, back on topic.

How much does this thing weigh?

You know, I actually forgot. Wow, thats how you know you got to involved in an argument. It was like an .5oz lighter than the Ego 8 or something like that that noone will ever actually notice. I'll weigh it when I get it in next week for an actual weight as there are like 6 different wieghts listed over on PBN and none are from reliable sources.

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 01:33 PM

a little off topic here but Bryce, what is your opinion of the Marq 7
I have seen very little on this marker primarily because I only bounce between a couple of forums and pbN is not one of them.

ps. I live about 4 miles from Bob Long.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 02:06 PM

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 02:36 PM

I personally shoot a basically stock Marq 6 about 90% of the time. I love it. Highly recomended.What are the differences in the Marq 6 and the Marq 7, if any?

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 02:41 PM

Just the milling. The next Marq will be different. Bob only changes anything but milling every 2-3 years.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 02:43 PM

OK, it was probably just the color because I like these ones.

http://pictures.smk-photos.com/images/A_0/0/2/4/4200/DOPYvice7_74c92.jpg

http://pictures.smk-photos.com/images/A_0/0/2/4/4200/DOPYvice6_411a1.jpg

http://pictures.smk-photos.com/images/A_0/0/2/4/4200/DOPYvice5_587ae.jpg

I suspect they might be photoshop painted, but if they are he did a killer job.

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 02:53 PM

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 02:58 PM

I like the low profile as opposed to the stacked tubes. But isn't that type of valve (the Marq) a little less efficeint.

IIRC the Marq is a spool and the Timmies are a popit. Is this right? I am no way an expert on them though.

I have never even shot a Biob Long gun. :eek:

The Marq is a new inline popit, its alot different than anything else I've ever seen, its extremely easy maintenace. Its about the same efficencey as the Alias Intimidators(I can shoot round about 1600 balls on my 68/4500). Its got good efficiency, but not as good as the Gen 5 Timmys.

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 03:04 PM

I guess I should really try one.

I own Angels, DMCs, DM 5 and a Viking along with many mags.

I have never shot a Bob Long gun. I have heard stories about their reliability so I just styed away. But you really seem to make a good case for them. I may have to get a Marq

Never shot a $h0ck3r either, only an eyeon. :D

Triangle

11-30-2007, 03:13 PM

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 03:17 PM

Yeah so arrest me!...............

:D

Just wanted to get my point across. Never shot one and probably never will. Only bought an *** to see what all of the hoopla was about :wall:

:cool:

Triangle

11-30-2007, 03:19 PM

Yeah so arrest me!...............

:D

Just wanted to get my point across. Never shot one and probably never will. Only bought an *** to see what all of the hoopla was about :wall:

:cool:
I like espee markers.
Isn't it weird how Tom Kaye copied the single tube design?

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 03:29 PM

I like espee markers.
Isn't it weird how Tom Kaye copied the single tube design?Not to get too off topic but was the Es Pee $h0cker (;)) around in1989?

IIRC, That is when the automag was introduced.

So did Tom really copy the design or was it the other way around?

Triangle

11-30-2007, 03:31 PM

Not to get too off topic but was the Es Pee $h0cker (;)) around in1989?

IIRC, That is when the automag was introduced.

So did Tom really copy the design or was it the other way around?

It's hard to convey sarcasm and smart-assery via the interblogosphere sometimes. =\
I was jes' bein' a ****.

bryceeden

11-30-2007, 03:32 PM

I have heard stories about their reliability so I just styed away.

If people read the manuals they are very very reliable. Biggest thing with Bob Long markers is people use Dow 33 which doesn't swell the O-rings and you end up with leaks and other issues. If they would just use Dow 55 like Bob suggests they would have no problem at all. Also alot of people try to run the LPRs at way too low of a pressure, I think thats why Bob went to the LPR system he did on the Marq and new Timmys people are much less prone to tinkering this way.

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 03:39 PM

It's hard to convey sarcasm and smart-assery via the interblogosphere sometimes. =\
I was jes' bein' a ****.Sorry, I totally missed it....:ooo:

Triangle

11-30-2007, 04:34 PM

Sorry, I totally missed it....:ooo:

It's cool buddy.
Who were you over on AO?

Everytime I read you name I think of my buddy Ryan, He's Target Practice over there.

Practice Target

11-30-2007, 04:47 PM

AO screen name: Loguzzzzzz

Big 'n slo and easy to hit so........lol

:D

Iggy42

12-01-2007, 06:53 AM

What are the color options going to get on this? A black dust with red (maybe deep green, granted I just want a green gun and not an olive or flourecent) parts would probably look nice. Basically turn all the black red, be subtle enough not to be over powering, but still noticable.

Although hopefully this weekend we will be able to see the real pics not the marketing one.

Zeroack

12-01-2007, 06:59 AM

I wouldn't kick it outta bed. However the newer markers out there, save the Angel just don't do anything for me. It's nice, cool milling...that's it. I'd rather put $750 towards a pneumag, emag, xvalved mag, classic mag or a nice cocker with some soul.

Just me.

Zero

grEnAlEins

12-01-2007, 07:40 AM

bryceeden

12-01-2007, 08:02 AM

I shot a timmy before, and was not a fine. I am liking these new ones though. I am gonna try one out when I get the chance and may or may not buy one. If I like it, I'll drop you a line, Bryce. Also, the 4-eye mod obviously gives the marker 4 eyes (I assume). What is the point of doing this? Does it help anything significantly?

The 4 eye system times how long it takes for a ball to go from the top set of eyes to the bottom and sets the firing cycle accordingly to make sure the ball is fully in the breach befor it fires so that even the last few balls won't be chopped. Plus if one set of eyes is blocked or has a problem or something it will override it and function like a normal 2 eyes with the working set(I've never had this happen, but its a cool idea). I use the four eye kit in my Marq and have still never chopped a single ball.

grEnAlEins

12-01-2007, 10:29 AM

The 4 eye system times how long it takes for a ball to go from the top set of eyes to the bottom and sets the firing cycle accordingly to make sure the ball is fully in the breach befor it fires so that even the last few balls won't be chopped. Plus if one set of eyes is blocked or has a problem or something it will override it and function like a normal 2 eyes with the working set(I've never had this happen, but its a cool idea). I use the four eye kit in my Marq and have still never chopped a single ball.

Oh wow that's cool provided it really works the way it should. That is awesome. I am really toying with the idea of getting a Timmy or Ego lately. I like the look of the Timmy better usually so was leaning that way. If I get to a point that I can afford one I'll shoot you a PM.