silencer

[mpgibert1]

anyone have any good ideas or links to info about a good lightweight silencer? i am all about woodsball and playing the sniper but it is hard to go undetected as soon as you start firing.:nunchaku:

[paintball_fiend]

after playing around with this idea for awhile I found going and getting a spool valve gun and heavily ported barrel to be the best way to get a quit paintball gun. and you dont have to worry about any legal hassles. although I dont expect to see the ATF at my local field :nana:

[SquirrelCommander]

Fiend is correct.
But if you don't want to change your setup... There was a guy at D-day last year selling some sick silencers, he might be there this year too. I don't remember who it was, maybe somebody else will.

[BlueDragonX]

Just remember that if the ATF or local law enforcement do come a-calling, you're boned. So, imo, not a good idea. I've not had any problem remaining undetected with my Mag. Just have to know how to do it.

[druid]

BDX is right. The only way LE can't prosecute you is if the:
1. Silencer is permanently welded to the barrel and;
2. The barrel is permanently welded to the marker.

Barring those 2 things, you'd be in deep trouble. The ATF doesn't regulate Paintball markers because they are "air powered" but they do govern the silencer itself and unless it's permanently affixed to the PB Marker, it's a violation of law without the $200 construction approval letter.

[WickedKlown2]

Fiend is correct.
But if you don't want to change your setup... There was a guy at D-day last year selling some sick silencers, he might be there this year too. I don't remember who it was, maybe somebody else will.


Squirrel,,,

The guy you are thinking about was from End Game Inc selling the end game compression barrel system... Very nice barrels that are a little on the expensive side,,, but will fit many different markers...

Here's the link to his site : http://www.endgameinc.com/Paintball-News/Compression-Barrel.asp

WK2

[Ruler_Mark]

end game is out of buisness i believe

[SquirrelCommander]

Thx for the clarification WK2!

I just tried to call them, it's been disconnected. So I think RM is correct.

[thegrayghost]

be careful on putting on a silencer....you have to know the laws with the BATF......remember ignorance of the law, doesnt keep you out of prison...there is a grey area on these with paintball markers and it favors the BATF...fines, 50,000 dollars, 5 years in prison, and all court costs, i believe...

i do know of a man that does make them for a paintball marker, and has them registered with BATF, cost is 200.00, plus 200.00 register fee with the BATF.....i have fired this marker, that he also has made with his silencer on it, it is remarkable...

thegrayghost

[wetwrks]

be careful on putting on a silencer....you have to know the laws with the BATF......remember ignorance of the law, doesnt keep you out of prison...there is a grey area on these with paintball markers and it favors the BATF...

No grey area to it. Illegal unless registered or perminantly attatched to the gun.

http://www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atf_ruling2005-4.pdf

Also understand that if at any time you remove the silencer from the gun you have just created a FIREARM silencer and are in violation.

Possession of a silencer not registered to the possessor, and a making or transfer that does not comply with the NFA and regulations are punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, a fine of $250,000, or both.

If you remove it from the paintgun you are in possession and have also created...thus 2 violations of the law. Each worth up to 10 years and each $250,000.

Section M and expecially M30

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm

[Cunha]

Not to mention the law itself is vague enough that basically you can't have one without being liable for breaking the law

I remember it being something like "the silencer can not be modified to work with a gun"

Which would mean you could cut the barre off the paintball gun and use it on a firearm for even 1 shot it would make you breaking the law.

And heck, a pillow or something seems to technically fall into this law as it does the job of silencing and works for any gun.

Its ridiculous. I may be wrong about the actual wording of the law, but if I recall correctly it leaves way too much room for interpretation of the person who wants to get you in trouble.

Other forums avoid the word silencer and I think we might be well off to consider doing the same. <shrug>

[Tracker]

yes other forums call them rain covers,

as for what the law states as i recall it saying something along the lines of

"if the "device" can be modified to work on a firearm, and provides ANY level of sound reduction, its not in compliance"

meaning if the uncovered barrels' 110db, and the silences makes it 107db, its still no bueno acording to the BATF, regardless weather or not the sound difference can be heard by anything other than sound analsis equipment

and the best part is, you have to send 200 dollars + "the device" + plans for how its made to the BATF for them to take several weeks for them to get back to you to tell you your PVC pipe concoction is no bueno

our government is insane

Tracker

[dman314]

our government is insane
Tracker

Ya the restrictions are getting rediculous and the way its been looking its just going to get worse for gun owners.

[Gee Tee]

We don't get this kind of hassle in the UK

However IMO modern markers with ported barrels are quiet enough. Most silencers players used in the late 80's were not very effective, and were mainly to compensate for the deafening bark of a solid, un-ported barrel. Once guys started DIY muzzle breaking and drilling, the silencer was made redundant.

My team mate used to run a mini cocker on a 6" solid tube

Wow.. now that thing was LOUD! :oneear:

[Blennidae]

If one wanted to make not a silencer, but a blocked off muffler for gun testing what would be the best route? Its kind of awkward trying to hold a towel/pillow over the barrel to keep the noise down when goofing with the gun indoors.

I remember a few years back some company made one with different backs for different guns, but I just couldnt see paying the price they wanted for one.

[paintball_fiend]

the tm-15 gets away with this pretty well having the silencer be an integral part of the body

[Runamok]

Silencer= Bad idea. None of my local fields will allow a silencer in play. Aside from the legal issues(having had an FFL and once knowing where to look up the section) which are fierce , On a paintball gun the amount of suppression isn't worth the risks. They don't work that well. A good ported barrel and knowing that when you shoot you gotta get out fast, any military sniper will tell you not to overstay your welcome, pick yourself a good spot with a covered escape route take your shot and boogie.

[paintball_fiend]

thats why I said the tm-15
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/paintball_fiend/silencershroud.jpg
the body does the silencing and is legal