What is so impressive...

[RogueFactor]

...about new markers these days?

1) They all shoot fast
2) They are all relatively efficient
3) They are all relatively light

What exactly am I supposed to be impressed with by the big companies and their new markers?

Call me cynical, but I just dont get it. Who do these guys think they are fooling?

[Mind'sEye]

I feel the same way about a lot of things these days, like automobiles for instance. A little cynicism certainly helps put things in perspective (and can save money too). I'm not interested in anything that the auto manufacturers are offering today. I don't need a DVD player in my car or a lady with a GPS brain telling me how to get to where I'm going. So, I drive a 1985 Toyota MR2, and I have a blast every time I get behind the wheel. It's the same with markers. After you run in the BPS race and all the other bull crap for a while, you gravitate towards the markers you have the most FUN playing with. Then you can relax and enjoy the game.

[grEnAlEins]

Don't forget cool anodizing and milling, LED lights in the grip that make my marker look like it has a rave inside, the intelligent portions guns even used to chirp!:rolleyes: Now I'm sure that was not the answer you were looking for, but I do like LED lights in my markers:cool:

Why should I spend $1400 on a new "gat?" Plain and simple, I shouldn't. What a stupid arse thing to do, but kids do it:wall:

You should not complain too much though. Look at things from my point of view for a minute. I am an old-schooler at heart. I started playing with old schoolers back when I was a wee lad, but I play hyper speed and air ball. In fact, I prefer it. I can buy last years whiz-bang wonder marker for a fraction of it's original value:tumbsup: I got my A4Fly dirty cheap and love it. Would I have bought it new? Heck no! Did I buy it for 40% of the new price with glee? Heck yes!

Seriously Rogue, new markers can be a lot of fun to play with. It is a different style of play sometimes, but still loads of fun. It is just not $1400 worth of fun--IMHO. As far as being impressed by new models, I see your point. The 'trix has not seen a major change since 04, the "intelligent portions jolter" has not been changed since 03 (well, they have break beam eyes now, but it is the same internals). A LP Angel is a LP Angel (03 or 04 was the last major change in design IIRC, unless the G7/A1 are really all that revolutionary). A Timmy is a Timmy is a Timmy, etc. There is no real difference in much of anything, it's true. They just look a little different, weigh a bit less, have some different color options, and if your luck shoot a few more balls in between fills. There really is no point, hence why I hit clearance and closeouts, or used markers.

[RogueFactor]

I kinda mean all markers. There isnt one that doesnt do all thats required to play the game(even the mag!:eek:). Everyone is still trying to 'market' a marker these days....there is nothing left to market. Is a 1/2 ounce, or 50 more balls, or 20 psi lower operating pressure enough to warrant buying one over last years model?

And Im not even referring to the $1400 markers. Spyders were doing 5 years ago what the SLG is doing today.

My only point is....if this industry survives on marketing and hype, whats going to happen when there isnt anything left to market and hype?

[grEnAlEins]

Is a 1/2 ounce, or 50 more balls, or 20 psi lower operating pressure enough to warrant buying one over last years model?

My only point is....if this industry survives on marketing and hype, whats going to happen when there isnt anything left to market and hype?
Not for you and me, but add to that lookin 1337, and every agglet will run right out and gladly spend all of mommy and dady's cash.

Look at what is happening now... LAWSUITS!! I cannot hype mah gat over yours, so I will sue you and collect royalties. That will keep the big guys going, because everyone gets a piece of every pie. ** own micro switch, Dye owns spooler, both profit from every "jolter" and 'trix sold.

I quote Ed O'Niel as Glen, "The world's a twisted place."

[HLDefender]

I kinda mean all markers. There isnt one that doesnt do all thats required to play the game(even the mag!:eek:). Everyone is still trying to 'market' a marker these days....there is nothing left to market. Is a 1/2 ounce, or 50 more balls, or 20 psi lower operating pressure enough to warrant buying one over last years model?

And Im not even referring to the $1400 markers. Spyders were doing 5 years ago what the SLG is doing today.

My only point is....if this industry survives on marketing and hype, whats going to happen when there isnt anything left to market and hype?

I bought my '05 Ego for $600 in the summer of '05 for a KILLER deal. It still was going for 1k at the time. Sure I've added some upgrades (not a board) but because its pretty much a real light marker, high tech everything (still), and hyper efficient. I can't see spending the money on a new replacement.

This IMO is the marketing problem that the manufacturers face. A LOT of GREAT used markers floating around because there was a buying frenzy a year or two ago. There is nothing left to hype anymore -- I agree. Now its time to lower the price and produce a quality product. My Planet Eclipse Etek is literally half the price of the Ego but still delivers all the performance. I believe that is where the market will be heading. Lower prices, better gear.


HLD...

[MedicDVG]

When I ref.. I spend a large part of my day fixing these markers for the aggletts.

That is why I like mags and spyders.. simple, they work, and they do the job that I want them to do..

Frankly.. I can't afford 20bps for very long.. not at 50-100/case.

gimme my pumps... Last time I played I think I actually shot 500 balls!

[babyface]

yes bring back the pumps! thats like going back to typewriters, i cant take this computer anymore. :clap::rofl2::clap:

[d4m4don3]

yes bring back the pumps! thats like going back to typewriters, i cant take this computer anymore. :clap::rofl2::clap:

I'd go back to the old days, late 80's early 90s, the days dos ruled and the bbs's were king.

[Zeroack]

I totally hear ya RF. I look at todays markers and I don't see a thing I like. Instead I would much rather piece together another mag, or cocker. However my oldest boy loves the new markers. I'm not sure if it's cause he doesn't remember the old markers like I do. He plays pump and is pretty darn good. He was looking around on Ebay the other day and saw a dm7 and was just drooling. I asked him why? He simply said "It's just cool". So is the DM7 the living equivalent of gamer points in xbox live? It's like carrying your reputation or something.

Me...I love my mags and cockers. I'll keep playing with them.

Zero

[punkncat]

...about new markers these days?

1) They all shoot fast
2) They are all relatively efficient
3) They are all relatively light

What exactly am I supposed to be impressed with by the big companies and their new markers?

Call me cynical, but I just dont get it. Who do these guys think they are fooling?

There hasn't been anything impressive feature wise on a marker since 03. The size issue is actually getting a bit rediculous considering that already our tanks and hoppers and larger and heavier than the marker itself.

The hype that companies use to push product isn't supposed to impress you anyway. Its for the noobs who know no better.....silly.:cheers:

[Anjin3515]

I kinda mean all markers. There isnt one that doesnt do all thats required to play the game(even the mag!:eek:). Everyone is still trying to 'market' a marker these days....there is nothing left to market. Is a 1/2 ounce, or 50 more balls, or 20 psi lower operating pressure enough to warrant buying one over last years model?

And Im not even referring to the $1400 markers. Spyders were doing 5 years ago what the SLG is doing today.

My only point is....if this industry survives on marketing and hype, whats going to happen when there isnt anything left to market and hype?


I dont know if they will ever run out of things to hype....they can hype anything...and thats sort of crazy sad.

The one thing I like about some of the newer markers is the reduction in weight....but even then we are talking about ounces....

Much of the styling on many of todays markers seems to be ripped off from each other.....dont these all look just a little bit alike??
http://www.anjindesign.com/images/Colors/droid.jpg

Seems like you get the swoooshy milling or a milsim.....

[TheTexan]

yea its a bunch of crap they all look and shoot the same
they cost to much
people all look the same with them
you cant resale them unlike mags

[maddboy32]

this is so true on how all these new markers are the same these days.

in an age where everyone wants to stand out, make they're own marker "their own", and have all the new technology stacked in a ity-bity little package.

me, i like it simple........like AGD. fits me like a glove :coolshades:

[TheTexan]

Yea I was looking at that pic and I dont know much about new guns but the only was i could tell a couple of those was by the grips

[p8ntball72]

Companies in the past have "thrown a small net" so to speak in thinking that high end markers were the gravy of the industry.

Now that the high end players are leaving the game, marketing has changed its tactic in an effort to survive. In a sense casting a larger "low end" net, and cashing in on disposable players.
Mass produced, low end, Chinese, composite, rampers, will be the death blow to the game as we know it. Low quality equipment = low quality players.

Companies like DYE and ** touting the "affordable" sales pitch, have left out the fact that it still costs 100 bucks a day to play.. SO what... you saved on your gun, you still cant afford to shoot it on a regular basis. :slap:

[Maniac Mechanic]

...about new markers these days?

1) They all shoot fast
2) They are all relatively efficient
3) They are all relatively light

What exactly am I supposed to be impressed with by the big companies and their new markers?

Call me cynical, but I just dont get it. Who do these guys think they are fooling?

I'm not all that impressed with the new stuff , others have said it ; other than size & weight what more can they do to them & BPS don't matter on a legal field
A for instance ; a friend of mine decided he wanted a new mini , bought it, nice ; but it still lacked (for him ) so he put a APE board in it still lacking IHHO so he traded it for a Mag , he just bought last years E Tec , put a board in it , you know where it is ? in the bottom of his gear bag , waiting for his Mag's to break , I'll bet he has it traded or sold in a month
Me I LOVE MAGS , they are like a small block chevy engine ; damn near every thing fits every thing else ; you can change the look of your marker week to week if ya want ( nobody really knows how many I have except me )
And the fact is once tuned add a drop or three of oil before & after and they work great & don't break , I don't remember the last time I used a wrench at a chrono station

[RogueFactor]

Yep, I love mechanical mags too. Saw my first one in the early 90's.

I love that collage of markers. It really makes you think how similar most of the markers look to each other.:ooo:

[grEnAlEins]

True, but I still like the new guns for what they are. They add a little variety to my gear bag. Sure I can use any of my mags, but if I want to play a little differently, I can play electro or pump. I do like the variety. There is no point in any of the newer electros though. As I and others have said, nothing has really happened as far as something new since about 03 or so.

[RogueFactor]

True, but I still like the new guns for what they are. They add a little variety to my gear bag. Sure I can use any of my mags, but if I want to play a little differently, I can play electro or pump. I do like the variety. There is no point in any of the newer electros though. As I and others have said, nothing has really happened as far as something new since about 03 or so.

Agreed. I wouldnt mind adding a nice black Viking to the gear bag in the future.:smarty:

[grEnAlEins]

Agreed. I wouldnt mind adding a nice black Viking to the gear bag in the future.:smarty:

I wish I had gotten a Viking when I had the money. I got a better deal on my A4Fly though, and I really do not have a need for any more markers, as I have a dozen or so, all different types. I would go for an SFL or XMAG, or maybe some lowers. Other than that though, I have no need for another marker. I have spoolers, e-poppets, mech poppets, mags, pump, everything. I see no need for and electro-mechanical marker (e-spyder) so that ain't gonna happen. After RRFireblade finishes up some milling and drilling, I'll piece together my EPMag, and then see about having it anodized. Then I'll be done. I do not want to sell anything because I do not want to take a huge loss. I have been temped by some of the AKA markers though...

[TnDeathInc]

The only thing i have liked that has came out in the past 5 years or so is the borg, but then again i was raised on mags and cockers and initiall given a hand me down 60 caliber converted 68 to play with so...yeah i guess im picky

[A-Tach-One]

IMO most of who are or will be impressed with markers these days are the new paintballers who are just entering the game. And it's my guess that the new generation of ballers are mainly a younger demographic.;) The hype may influence the uninformed/new baller. Otherwise I personally don't find a whole lot to be impressed about with in new markers these days. I couldn't be happier with what I shoot now.

[TheTexan]

IMO most of who are or will be impressed with markers these days are the new paintballers who are just entering the game. And it's my guess that the new generation of ballers are mainly a younger demographic.;) The hype may influence the uninformed/new baller. Otherwise I personally don't find a whole lot to be impressed about with in new markers these days. I couldn't be happier with what I shoot now.

well what do you shoot now?
witch one of you 50 guns

[A-Tach-One]

well what do you shoot now?
witch one of you 50 guns
Well they're all mags!:2ar15: Except for the Mini Invert Im selling

[TheTexan]

Yea I bet its hard to roll out of bed and be like hmm should I pick up a sfl or a x mag

[grEnAlEins]

Otherwise I personally don't find a whole lot to be impressed about with in new markers these days.

What about that one?
It'll make you run faster, jump higher, eliminate more opposition, and score with more chicks. It is made by a family owned, quality, and especially ethical, company from Latrobe, PA:rolleyes::rofl2:

I kid, I kid. There is no paintball company from that location that is quality and ethical;):D

[bryceeden]

Really, there is no real reason to buy most new markers now days I shoot a Marq 6 from 2006 and IMO its as good or in most cases better than anything new to come out this year. Now on my example bear in mind that Bob Long both sponsors my team and the Intimidator is the tourney marker I sell the most of. Now that being said as a warning I see no reason to spend more than about $700 absolute max on a marker anymore. With the Mini, Fusion, and Protege all well below $600 after you buy a good barrel and everything you "need" there is really no performance benifit to the $1500 Ego anymore. I love my Marq its the nicest feeling and shooting marker I've ever owned, but truthfully its not better enough than the Protege to warent the extra money. I took a Spyder VS2 and put the Tadao board in it and heck it shot just as well as most $1000 markers it just weighed alittle more. Anymore most markers sell strictly on hype.

[bryceeden]

Sorry my previous post doesn't make much sence I am just getting off a very buisy 36 hour shift and my brain isn't working right anymore.

[Mechanic79]

...about new markers these days?

1) They all shoot fast
2) They are all relatively efficient
3) They are all relatively light

What exactly am I supposed to be impressed with by the big companies and their new markers?

Call me cynical, but I just dont get it. Who do these guys think they are fooling?

All that is left is Customer Service, Marketing and Style preference.

Actually thinking about it, it's amazing paintball is where it is today.

[Dark Side]

I couldn't be happier with what I shoot now.

Which one? You shoot like 27 different guns.

:kneelsuckers:

[xmagman]

Although most high-end markers that are out today look similar to each other it's all about personal preference. Some people prefer to spend $1400 on an Ego or DM8. The good thing about markers over the last couple of years is that the mid-range market has more choices than a few years back. And many of those markers perform just as well as the high-end markers. The *** paved the way for all of these new middle of the road markers.

It is true that nothing truly revolutionary has hit the market since 2003-04 and markers are getting lighter, smaller, faster (although 15bps is the cap at most fields and tourneys), and more features. I admit that I have bought 2 new markers in the last 18 months (a 06 Cyborg (new) and a 06 Quest (used)) but I have no real reason to buy anything new. There is only one marker that is out right now that I would love to have, MacDev Droid, but I wont sell the markers I've got just to get one. Gun-whoring is something that never really made sense to me.

[Anjin3515]

I wouldn't mind an Ego or DM .....but the cost is way over the top.
I don't think there is enough of a difference between these $1000 and up markers and the ones that come in around $400/$500.
Is a $1400 DM8 really worth that much over a $400 PMR?
Is it better, most likely, but $1000 better?????

[Cell]

I dont know if they will ever run out of things to hype....they can hype anything...and thats sort of crazy sad.

The one thing I like about some of the newer markers is the reduction in weight....but even then we are talking about ounces....

Much of the styling on many of todays markers seems to be ripped off from each other.....dont these all look just a little bit alike??
http://www.anjindesign.com/images/Colors/droid.jpg

Seems like you get the swoooshy milling or a milsim.....

Wow, now Ive seen the similarities, but I never looked at them all at once. It is gestation of regression! It becomes almost comical to me.

I look at those and cant help but think of the fact- Always remember, your gun (marker) is made my the lowest bidder!

[p8ntball72]

interesting resource for "where does it come from"...
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Type=&year=&month=&location=&keyword=&SearchText=paintball+&Country=&srchLocation=&srchYearMonth=&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=0

Indonesian Ego's?
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/100094770/Planet_Eclipse_Sl74_Aurora_Ego_07.html

[Mind'sEye]

I dont know if they will ever run out of things to hype....they can hype anything...and thats sort of crazy sad.

The one thing I like about some of the newer markers is the reduction in weight....but even then we are talking about ounces....

Much of the styling on many of todays markers seems to be ripped off from each other.....dont these all look just a little bit alike??
http://www.anjindesign.com/images/Colors/droid.jpg

Seems like you get the swoooshy milling or a milsim.....

Performance aside, these markers remind me of the same "styling by committee" which has plagued the automobile industry for years. Designing something distinctive becomes too much of a risk so marketing considerations over ride creativity in favor of the mundane. :deadhorse1:

[FiXeL]

...about new markers these days?

1) They all shoot fast
2) They are all relatively efficient
3) They are all relatively light

What exactly am I supposed to be impressed with by the big companies and their new markers?

Call me cynical, but I just dont get it. Who do these guys think they are fooling?

You're not the only one who thinks like that... Why buy a marker that drops 50% in value every year? Do you need that über light and small marker? Etc, etc.... I've been around for just a few years, but i soon realised this is total BS. Everybody wants the new stuff, and dumps the 05, 06, 07 made marker for the newest one, for half the price. And what's the difference? This is one of the reasons why i took a mag... I don't need the latest and greatest to have a fun day playing, and buy something that is clearly overrated.

My mags work, are reliable and some of them can shoot pretty fast. Why take something else if you don't really need it?

[JAM]

I kinda mean all markers. There isnt one that doesnt do all thats required to play the game(even the mag!:eek:). Everyone is still trying to 'market' a marker these days....there is nothing left to market. Is a 1/2 ounce, or 50 more balls, or 20 psi lower operating pressure enough to warrant buying one over last years model?

And Im not even referring to the $1400 markers. Spyders were doing 5 years ago what the SLG is doing today.

My only point is....if this industry survives on marketing and hype, whats going to happen when there isnt anything left to market and hype?

Wow rogue.. you're getting really deep.

I do agree. Of course, I just got a new EGO, so I say if you have the money- go for it if you want it. I don't think anyone should criticize anyone else for buying something they want.

That said, it's gonna take some major changes to help the game grow. The focus can't be on miniscule technology updates, it has to be on the players and fun.

I would love to see a 10 bps limit and/or a move back to mechs. I played a lot back in the days of pumps (almost 20 years ago- wow i feel old) and was there for the transistion to semis. I do like the semi game better- it's more fun and faster paced. but the 30 bps electro game, I could happily do without.