Z-Day Stock Class "Watch Zak Run"? ZSC-Day

[Cunha]

Thread reposted due to technical problems with the poll..

I want to propose to the group that our next Z-Day be designated as a stock class day. It wouldn't be strict stock class. Constant air would be allowed. Hoppers would not be allowed. Pump guns adapted with PVC pipes (or whatever) to hold 10 rounds parallel to the barrel would be allowed despite the advantage of a ball or two being stacked and ready to feed without rocking.

I know it is quite a leap, but I think that the change in game dynamic might make it a whole lot of fun. I can't imagine Zak being able to shoot 1000 rounds in a single game when he has to reload with 10 round tubes.

I have discussed this at length with Zak. He told me that if I can rally the troops behind the idea that he will concede, and turn his back on the god of firepower to whom his guns pay homage.

Zak would organize it and it would be exactly like any other great Z day except we would all be playing (almost) stock class. Who knows, it may become a staple of our group if everyone has a good time.

What do you all think? The date I am proposing is Saturday October 23. Or, if no one has anything to do on Halloween, than the following Saturday on the 30th.

The date is not the main issue right now, but it might as well be discussed immediately.

Who's up for it?

We would probably start with stock class and then play regular games later in the day whenever everyone starts to feel like it.

[Z-man]

My fault on the poll problems please recast your votes now with corrected and expanded options to better define what you want to do.... and all that.

[Flyingpootang]

Muhahahaahahahaaaaaaa, Welcome to my world. For all of you who don't have a SC marker I got plenty to lend out as well as harnesses and tubes. I want to put a suggestion out there if a hopper option is used maybe limit them to 50 round hopper only and or a barrel limit of 8". I would definitely make this event just to see Zak struggle with a pump..... Dollar bet anyone????

[Cunha]

It is a good dollar bet opportunity. I was waiting for you to chime in, Flyingpootang.

50 ball hoppers + 8 inch barrel length is a pretty good idea to sort-of level the playing field for guns running open class. Maybe that is how it will be done. Either a horizontal feed tube of any kind (as parallel to the barrel as possible!) or 50 ball hopper with 8 inch barrel or less.

I think most of us are going to be struggling and fumbling with SC tubes and 12 grams if we actually try to run them. It would be a lot of fun.

[Tracker]

gotta be careful with barrel length, some pumps that a recipe to shoot yourself in the hand (T2)

Tracker

[Cunha]

Yeah. I think it is a good idea because it encourages the user to run an SC style feed.

If hoppers are allowed, reloading in game should be done with 10 round tubes. 50 balls will probably last an entire game anyways.

[Cunha]

I think we need more votes ; D

[hill160881]

not really into pumps, I mean they can look really really nice but thats about it. What if i put a pump thingy on my proto. Does it actually have to do anything to count?:oneear:

[Cunha]

At the very least we will be doing some actual pump games.

[kill-n-spree]

Hey Cunha, I am down to play some stock class. I still have that Old school grey ghost my wife bought off of you on ebay a few years back. It is a great shooting gun.

[Cunha]

That was you? Amazing. I always wondered who that guy was.

When I'm talking stock class here, I mean that the gun will be fed by a 10 round feed that is parallel to the barrel so the gun has to be rocked for the balls to feed.

Do you have something like that? All of the ghosts and spirits I ever had were right feed. It's pretty easy to make a hope made stock class style feed.

Either way, sounds great!

[kill-n-spree]

I play a lot of SC. I also have the new Ghost and a Phantom VSC. I also run a SC feed on my SS25 with a 13ci tank. Me and my buddy Casper have been the only SC players out in my area for as long as I can remember. I had Sergey from Lapco send me all new brass screws , a new bolt with the lock down screw and a pair of there composite grips for the Ghost. I did not want to tear up the nice wood ones that came on your old Ghost.

[hill160881]

i think the voting difference says it all about this idea of a pump day. 31 voted on the days and 12 have voted on the pump day idea. either they will do whatever everyone else does or they are not interested enough to vote. Please no pump z-day. I do not have one and borrowing one is like driving a rental instead of your new really nice car, that nothing is wrong with. if a pump event is needed then organize a P-day instead of a z-day. Just my feelings on this idea.

[RogueFactor]

i think the voting difference says it all about this idea of a pump day. 31 voted on the days and 12 have voted on the pump day idea. either they will do whatever everyone else does or they are not interested enough to vote. Please no pump z-day. I do not have one and borrowing one is like driving a rental instead of your new really nice car, that nothing is wrong with. if a pump event is needed then organize a P-day instead of a z-day. Just my feelings on this idea.
You can vote multiples in the other thread, so its not really 31.

I think a handful of pump games at the end of the day when everyone is low on paint and tired would be a good way to ease into the idea of pump. Pump isnt my thing, but Id be willing to play it if its open class with 50 round hoppers and constant air. I really have no interest at all in 50g's and rock n °°°°. Id likely sit on the sidelines and watch those kind of games.

[hill160881]

You can vote multiples in the other thread, so its not really 31.

I think a handful of pump games at the end of the day when everyone is low on paint and tired would be a good way to ease into the idea of pump. Pump isnt my thing, but Id be willing to play it if its open class with 50 round hoppers and constant air. I really have no interest at all in 50g's and rock n °°°°. Id likely sit on the sidelines and watch those kind of games.

oops, i forgot that you could vote on multiple dates:wall:. but i second this idea and would even be willing to use a pump at the end of the day, not mine though.

[Cunha]

Well there are only 3 votes totally against pump play.

I think we will open the day with unrestricted pump play, and move on to regular electro/whatever play when everyone is tired of that.

That means when you Hill are miserably agonizing under the painful curtain of restrictions of pump play, the group will pick up on that and decide it is time to switch back to normal.

It is certainly better to play pump FIRST and then with open electros. Going from electro to pump you feel totally impotent, from pump to electro you feel like a badass.


Sound good?

[RogueFactor]

It is certainly better to play pump FIRST and then with open electros. Going from electro to pump you feel totally impotent, from pump to electro you feel like a badass.

Sound good?

Whatever everyone prefers is ok by me. I figure if we dont like it, doing it first gets it out of the way quickly for those who REALLY dont way to play it.

[A-Tach-One]

I know Amanda and my pop aren't interested in playing pump. If we spend the first part of the day doing pump they'll just be sitting around. I may make the trek solo but overall this Z-Day is a big maybe for me. - Eric

[RogueFactor]

I know Amanda and my pop aren't interested in playing pump. If we spend the first part of the day doing pump they'll just be sitting around. I may make the trek solo but overall this Z-Day is a big maybe for me. - Eric

Thats why I was thinking the end of the day would be better. Its easier for those who wont play any pump to end the day early rather than have them sitting around for the first part of the day. Id hate to have you travel solo, especially with the long drive. It would suck if Amanda and your Dad decided not to come.

[hill160881]

if the drive is long, it wont be worth it. Unfortunately i wont attend an event where i am guaranteed to drive several hours one way and play for half the day. If you have a pump, then you have an electro, or at the very least a mechanical semi auto. This means everyone can play a regular day, but making it pump limits the people that can play. and i know how much the pumps cost and i wont borrow and be responsible for another persons pretty pump. sorry but i will say it again if there is a group that wants to do that then organize a pump day where electros are not permitted, please stop trying to make Z-day a pump day. I think this best describes Z-day http://www.youtube.com/user/vettertech#p/a/u/0/AFy5ylMHnEU

[Cunha]

No one is trying to -make- Z-Day anything.

There has been a number of folks that regularly attend Z days that have expressed interest in playing pump.

This thread is a feeler. The strong vibes coming from A-Tach are pretty dissuading to me.

I'm not a pump advocate at all, I just brought it up because I thought it might be an interesting experiment for the group. It will be very easy to get loaner pumps for those that don't own them. That isn't a big deal really.

I definitely am not willing to see A-Tach and Amanda skip this day over some pump games. Pump games are not worth that loss at all. The reason Z-Day is fun is because of the people that attend. The reason pump would potentially be fun is because it would be with you guys.

[Hell-Bunny]

Haha 1st time ive seen that vid lmao... awesome

but yah im game to play pump. OPEN class no way in He77 im gonna play Rawk N caulk just not for me.

Im open just dont want to drive to BFE. Davis would be nice maybe even the jungle. Modesto sucks the feilds are so bland.

End of the day pump is a great idea. All those who dont wanna play dont have to and every one gets their fun.

On that note the peeps that do play pump have all day to cajole, convince and out badger lol the others into playing some pump.

:) btw i may need to borrow a pump:ninja:

[Flyingpootang]

No one is trying to -make- Z-Day anything.

There has been a number of folks that regularly attend Z days that have expressed interest in playing pump.

This thread is a feeler. The strong vibes coming from A-Tach are pretty dissuading to me.

I'm not a pump advocate at all, I just brought it up because I thought it might be an interesting experiment for the group. It will be very easy to get loaner pumps for those that don't own them. That isn't a big deal really.

I definitely am not willing to see A-Tach and Amanda skip this day over some pump games. Pump games are not worth that loss at all. The reason Z-Day is fun is because of the people that attend. The reason pump would potentially be fun is because it would be with you guys.

Your forgetting the most important part of Zak struggling to dump an 150 round tube of paint into a 10 round stick feed:rofl2:

SC is is very fun and challenging especially going up against semis. It really levels the playing field when everyone is using a pump since there is no way to get bonus balled or lit up. SC/Pump isn't for everyone, but it's nice to get a chance to play as they did in the beginning. Although the first Nelson markers had the 12gs in the grip and the grip panel had to be removed to replace them. I also have 3 AGD sydarms which I could lend out as a substitute for a pump/SC marker.....

[Zondo]

Your forgetting the most important part of Zak struggling to dump an 150 round tube of paint into a 10 round stick feed:rofl2:


He might be able to do that if it was 50 cal :glare:

Cunha, you can also look into the 2/10 format. I believe you can use pump or semi in it, but you are relegated to 10 rounds per person, per game.

[Cunha]

That's an interesting concept Zondo and something I would definitely consider playing myself.

As it stands now though, I think we are stuck with a really casual approach to any type of limited play with this group.

It looks like we will just run some open pump games in the second half of the day. I'll be playing stock class and terribly, but I think it will be fun.

Some other time we can approach more creative ways of playing :P

[A-Tach-One]

I definitely am not willing to see A-Tach and Amanda skip this day over some pump games. Pump games are not worth that loss at all.

We wouldn't skip the day over some pump games. We would skip if an entire half of the day is designated to pump. Doing it that way puts Amanda and my pop on the sidelines for hours. I would love to shoot a few games throughout the day stockclass. Heck, I want to shoot my new T2 also!!! But Im not going to ask them to drive nearly 5 hours to sit around. That's all. - Eric :cheers:

[RogueFactor]

That sounds like the best plan Cunha. I was under the impression it was going to be half the day and mandatory Stock Class. I couldnt justify travelling from Colorado for that either.

Lets ease into this. Itll take time and effort. Z-Days didnt happen overnight either.

[Flyingpootang]

I just acquired one of Eric's pedigree markers, so I may whip it out in the afternoon to pummel Zak with....LOL