Accuracy By Volume? Truly, the way of the future?

[Cell]

And let's face it, accuracy by volume is the best way score eliminations.

I would like to know if this actually was a consensus.

I'm truly not picking a fight, but it raised some questions in my mind. I completely disagree with this statement/argument. Because if this were the case, I should never win a game of paintball, even more I probably wont be seeing an elimination in years. (A bit extreme, But my point seems obvious.)

I understand that the sport of paintball is about personal preference and play style, but if this is the mentality all people or even a majority of people play the game of paintball, I really need to stop and just quit right now. Its just amazing, that someone could actually believe he/she can win a game by shooting more paintballs through the air then me.

Is this how it is, please explain why or why not?

[RogueFactor]

Is this how it is, please explain why or why not?

Not for me. I shoot mech semi-auto. I prefer to play against those with superior firepower. It makes me play harder, which results in my skills becoming better. And there is a certain amount of satisfaction that when I eliminate someone, it was me who did it, and not a program in my marker.

[michbich]

I have 2 mags, one with hyperframe and the other with rt. ALL the players at the feild have their own tipmann or have a rental tipmann. It's a noticeable difference so i tend to limit my bps to the same as them. I wouldn't be playing at the max bps even if they are better than i am. But it's always fun once in a while though :nana: I am actulay looking for a pump for next summer to try something new.

[bryceeden]

Well, it depends. If you watch good players most front players will slide thier hand down and only use one finger to fire making them more accurate. Adversley most good backs will rail paint the whole game but they will be sweeping from bunker to bunker to keep mulitple players down. I would say truthfully most fast shooting is to keep a player in his/her bunker and lock them down not to eliminate them. Now tourney wanabes and such will rail paint the whole game just because they can and they don't really know why. When I shoot off the break I shoot fast hoping someone will run thru my lane, but for most of the game I shoot 3-4 ball bursts trying to be more accurate unless I'm trying to draw attention to myself then I shoot as fast as I can.

[Cell]

I have 2 mags, one with hyperframe and the other with rt. ALL the players at the feild have their own tipmann or have a rental tipmann. It's a noticeable difference so i tend to limit my bps to the same as them. I wouldn't be playing at the max bps even if they are better than i am. But it's always fun once in a while though :nana: I am actulay looking for a pump for next summer to try something new.

Your proving my point right there. You understand by turning the "speed" of your marker down, isn't making you less of a player. You obviously have more experience/skill, and can use that instead of speed to eliminate other players.

Dont be fooled by an industry that is telling you and your 10 years of experience (Not sure what your actual experience is, but more then your opponent) is going to be eliminated due to a kid just starting and Smart Parts. What it does is give that guy false hope that he can actually beat you. Not only making him play more but making him shoot more and shoot the markers that shoot more.

And people buy that, they eat it right up, with some dessert.

[Mind'sEye]

I don't see "accuracy" by volume being very effective where I play, however I would say that volume can be effective as a suppressive fire tactic in certain situations.

[maddboy32]

i tend to limit my BPS as well.

its no fun if you are the dominating player on the field every game.

i shoot an electro but i always bring the low-end mech with me just to shut-up the individuals that think im getting so many kills because of my markers BPS level.

on to the subject......... SOMETIMES i bunker someone by throwing a lot of paint. then proceed to throw burst at then to keep them in their place. and if i'm lucky, they pop their head up right as my liquid missile connects to their mask. but eventually everyone needs to reload and that is where the balence of power is evened out.

[tymcneer]

Funny... When I play on an arena field, I have a tendency to shoot less than when I am playing in the woods. I shoot more in the woods, because of the clutter, and the ability to "sneak" one through fickle cover.

All that being said, I've been playing with a pump, more and more often. I feel it makes me think more, calculate my shots, and play harder. I will not suggest that it improves the accuracy of the marker to shoot fewer BPS, but it definately makes me try to aim the shots more carefully.

As I posted elsewhere... Volume can be an accuracy tool, but it is not the only one.

bryceeden has a valid point. Many players don't understand WHEN and WHY to use cover fire.

Ty

[xmagman]

Wow...I feel honored. A thread started because of something I said :banana:

I guess I should clarify my statement. To me accuracy by volume does not mean just railing on my marker the entire time I'm on the field. As has been said before, there is a time and place for shooting lots of paint.
- On the break is a good time to do it: Those 2 or 3 seconds might get you an elimination, giving your team an advantage very early in the game.
- Putting a player in his bunker so your guys can make a move: This enables other players on your team to make a move that can lead to an elimination. If I'm pounding his bunker from the right one of my team mates can hit him from the left and eliminate him.
- Pressuring an opposing player to make a mistake: If you can get the other player to take pressure off of a team mate that is in a better position for an elimination and get them to pay attention to you; it can lead to an elimination.
There are lots of other reasons I can put to use accuracy by volume to eliminate a player. But I think most people can figure it out. It is NOT a cure-all for every game situation. But it is a valuable tool, and very effective, when used correctly. If used incorrectly, you just run out of paint too quickly and look like a fool walking off the field half way through the game.
But IMHO, accuracy by volume, while not the only way, is one of the best ways to score eliminations.

[Ninjeff]

Well, i know i purchased a pump to teach me how to be a better paintball player. And it has. So, i know that accuracy has much more to do with ME as a player, than the gun i shoot. Case in point (ill leave out all the other benefits of playing pump since this is a thread about accuracy)

My mag, is just as accurate as my pump (cocker with a pump kit) so i have found there is no benefit in the "equipment" area as far as ball to ball accuracy. However, the reason i purchased a pump is because i found that my playing (after 10 years of semi shooting bad habits) was, in a word, sloppy. My handling was sloppy, my snap shots slower than hell, my "stance" in side and coming out of a bunker was all over the place. I wasnt playing tight, quick, and precise. I was playing loose and volumetric. Leaning to far out of a bunker and using my "semi" abilities to lay paint on the opponent. Now, keep in mind, i never owned an electro untill this past summer, when i got my EMag. But i still found i used volume as a crutch. Not a "be all end all" but a crutch none-the-less.

Now, after buying a pump, i have found my form is getting much much better. As is my perception of the game. The field looks "different" when playing pump. I cant explain how exactly, but you pumpers know what i mean. More over, my snap shots have improved leaps and bounds and im much tighter in side and outside the bunker.

Now when i use my mag, i play better, use less shots, and have a better all around skill set than previously. So on one hand, accuracy by volume isnt my play style.

That all being said, when playing against a tough opponent and using my mag, i DO use volume of fire as a way of winning said game. But just like Bryceeden said, its a TOOL. Its a tactic of play, not the WAY of play.

Example: A team(i think it was baseball team? not sure) from U of I college was at the field last month. 25 of em to be exact. They had played one or two times before and were using paintball as a team building exercise. Needles s to say, tehy didnt want to be split up, and no other group was big enough to even the odds out against them. So, lacking a challenge that day, we rounded up the small core group of regulars at the field, and played against them.

Odds? 9-24.
yep. 9 of us, against 24 of them. We figured experience made up teh player difference. Indeed it did. I used volume of fire that game as a way of eliminating players as i was playing VERY far up their left side. DEEP into enemy territory. I shot a complete 68/3000 tank that one game, thats 800 or so rounds, and garnered 13 eliminations. I also effectively stopped their left flank from moving on the flag and acted as a "funnel" to move players towards the right, wich afforded us better cover. So, is accuracy by volume the way to play paintball? No, not really. But it IS useful. as suppresive firepower is a very legit tactic on a battlefield, so is it also on a paintball field. But, as described above, you cant use it as a crutch like i used to. I love playing pump, i really do as it provides me with the tools to be a better player, but sometimes, every once in awhile, you need to make some "rain" as a tactic.

Also, of note, the next game, we played a slightly larger woods field, and i switched back to pump. Despite getting 4 eliminations, i was quickly surrounded, on all sides, and shot out. the UofI team that was there had a great deal of fun that day, and hopefully will return next year.

[punkncat]

I would like to know if this actually was a consensus.

I'm truly not picking a fight, but it raised some questions in my mind. I completely disagree with this statement/argument. Because if this were the case, I should never win a game of paintball, even more I probably wont be seeing an elimination in years. (A bit extreme, But my point seems obvious.)

I understand that the sport of paintball is about personal preference and play style, but if this is the mentality all people or even a majority of people play the game of paintball, I really need to stop and just quit right now. Its just amazing, that someone could actually believe he/she can win a game by shooting more paintballs through the air then me.

Is this how it is, please explain why or why not?


I am afraid to say that when playing on a competative level that people have been buying victories for a long time based on paint budget.
Think about it like this. If you can lock a field down by shooting paint across every lane, you can afford to shoot all the paint you want at an opponent with no concern about what it cost. You can do this every game all the way through the tournament w/o having to conserve for the finals, etc. you are bound to win more games than the next guy.
Now other things being even, like for instance they have the same amount of paint budgeted then it will come down to skill, or in many cases luck of the draw.

Heck come down to it even in "rec ball", at a certain level of skill, if you can afford to shoot lots of paint, and know how to handle yourself then yes, I would say in that instance accuracy by volume can hold true as well.

[bryceeden]

Think about it this way, I love to take my phanom out to play rec speedball. There is one particular regular I like to eliminate because he uses his Ego and just hoses paint trying for accuracy by volume(he is also the definition of agglet). He is a very easy elimination and does his team no real good. Now when I play tourneys my job is to distract the other team and let our guys get positions on them, I get a fair number of eliminations but not a ton however I make a big impact on the game. To accomplish this I shoot alot of paint, and it works. My team locks down lanes by shooting alot of paint. All of this however is to get the upperhand and as such accuracy by volume isn't the right way to put it. Accuracy isn't really the goal, really eliminations aren't directly the goal of the volume. The goal is to make it so the other team can't move and we can.

[Mechanic79]

I thought "Accuracy by Volume" was Tom Kaye's answer to the question of paintball accuracy. He showed accuracy on a bell curve.?!?.

Found it!

http://www.automags.org/resource/tech/tomstech/05_stats.shtml

[p8ntball72]

07-13-2001
Based on this data we believe round paintballs are too light and have lousy aerodynamics to expect any more accuracy than what we are currently getting. When the military came to us and wanted a more accurate non lethal system we made a bullet shaped, spin stabilized paintball that far outperformed any equal weight round projectile. Accuracy by volume has been, and will remain, the best way to score eliminations.

Just the facts from,

AGD

:guinness:

[RogueFactor]

This thread is not about physics. Its about the concept that accuracy has nothing to do with volume. You can shoot 1 ball, dead-on and be just as accurate as someone who puts 1,000 in the air.

When did this shooting sport become about overconsumption of paint, and not about the skill of putting 1 ball on the other player to eliminate him.

I wonder if Tom, since 2001 when he made that statement, has changed his outlook. Time has a way of doing that.

[Ninjeff]

well, i think what Tom was trying to say was that you cant REALLY have ball on ball accuracy every time. There is just too many factors. And i think what we are talking about is spray and pray.

[etjoyride]

While i won't say being able to throw a lot of paintball doesn't have it's uses i completely disagree with that statement.

When i play 3-6 man speedball i will often eliminate two or three players and only go through half a hopper no matter whether i'm playing mech or semi...

[punkncat]

When did this shooting sport become about overconsumption of paint, and not about the skill of putting 1 ball on the other player to eliminate him.

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When people realized that they could win with their wallet.

[michbich]

I'll tell you honnestly, i'm broke so i can't (and don't want to) go on a shooting rampage. I never played speedball or competitive tourneys. That being said, there is no reason to go crazy with truck loads of paint in a woods game. I just play for fun and i thinks that's what the sport is all about. On the other hand, if your playing competively for whatever reasons, it's the safest and fastest tactic to push on.

[etjoyride]

I'll tell you honnestly, i'm broke so i can't (and don't want to) go on a shooting rampage. I never played speedball or competitive tourneys. That being said, there is no reason to go crazy with truck loads of paint in a woods game. I just play for fun and i thinks that's what the sport is all about. On the other hand, if your playing competively for whatever reasons, it's the safest and fastest tactic to push on.

Actually i often use more paint in the same time period in the woods. Speedball causes me to move a lot more, but maybe i'm different.

[Ninjeff]

Come to think of it, i shoot more in the woods too.....
even playing pump.

[p8ntball72]

When people realized that they could win with their wallet.

QFT..

But doesn't that apply to any thing?

[RogueFactor]

When people realized that they could win with their wallet.

But they dont. They win by cheating, when theyve emptied their wallet and found out that it didnt help.

You cant buy win. You gotta earn it, learn it, use it, and apply it...its called skill. Its required in a sport.

Emptying your wallet...thats for coin operated video games.:happydance:

[punkncat]

But they dont. They win by cheating, when theyve emptied their wallet and found out that it didnt help.

You cant buy win. You gotta earn it, learn it, use it, and apply it...its called skill. Its required in a sport.

Emptying your wallet...thats for coin operated video games.:happydance:

Oh cheating is a big part of it, as well as bias, payoffs (don't even pretend it doesn't happen), bad reffing, etc.
Honestly though, when you are playing teams with less sponsorship or none, and they are having to consider making so many cases last even into finals or whatever, the teams that don't can consistantly shoot more paint, control the lanes, shut down the field, move and eliminate opponents.
There is a skill set developed just on this, that if you can't afford to play that way its VERY difficult to win against.

Not to say that skill isn't a part of it, but you take two equal teams. Give one team a hopper each and the other team you give unlimited avialablity of paint. Put them on the field for a best two out of three.....its EXACTLY like that in Xball. A little less obvious in 5 man, but still an affect. Can the team with less paint win? Sure, but they have a hell of a disadvantage.

[Mechanic79]

Its about the concept that accuracy has nothing to do with volume. You can shoot 1 ball, dead-on and be just as accurate as someone who puts 1,000 in the air.

Are we applying Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle?
http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p08.htm

"This is a succinct statement of the "uncertainty relation" between the position and the momentum (mass times velocity) of a subatomic particle, such as an electron. This relation has profound implications for such fundamental notions as causality and the determination of the future behavior of an atomic particle."

[d4m4don3]

In the case of elminating from afar accuracy by volume is always going to be spot on. From far distances its better to wail on your paint because there will be other factors that affect your trajectory other than your paint to barrel match. Once you get closer to your opponent you can discount the accuracy by volume theory since he is closer and the trajectory is more predictable Just watch pump players and you'll notice that they get closer to their target rather than long ball with you. You're only as accurate as you can gauge your balls trajectory. Get closer and you get a better chance. :evillaugh:

[MedicDVG]

Locking down lanes and making it impossible for your opponent is a viable strategy. True, it is expensive and makes the games boring, but this tactic does win games.

What I don't agree with is the newb/noob that thinks they are doing something by just banging on the trigger and wailing paint all over the place.

Of course my perceptions are based on my general dislike for playing competition speedball.. I will ref it all day long, and if you pay me, thats a bonus!

[Ninjeff]

Locking down lanes and making it impossible for your opponent is a viable strategy. True, it is expensive and makes the games boring, but this tactic does win games.

What I don't agree with is the newb/noob that thinks they are doing something by just banging on the trigger and wailing paint all over the place.

Of course my perceptions are based on my general dislike for playing competition speedball.. I will ref it all day long, and if you pay me, thats a bonus!

Yep. :wthumpup:

[RogueFactor]

payoffs (don't even pretend it doesn't happen), bad reffing, etc.
I know first-hand that it happens.

...but you take two equal teams. Give one team a hopper each and the other team you give unlimited avialablity of paint. Put them on the field for a best two out of three.....its EXACTLY like that in Xball. A little less obvious in 5 man, but still an affect. Can the team with less paint win? Sure, but they have a hell of a disadvantage.

Thats a no-brainer. Take 2 baseball teams, one with wooden bats, one with aluminum...and you put the team with wooden bats at a disadvantage.
Pro's use the least amount of 'technology'...thats what makes them Pro's. Thats why its wood only in the majors.

Take 2 equal teams and give them the same amount of paint. Play them against a 3rd equal team. If they both win, and both have equal amount of points/eliminations, who is better? Yep, the team that shot less paint.

And thats why 'Pro' paintball is a joke. Thats why XBall is a joke. Paintball is supposed to be about accuracy, its a shooting sport. And there isnt a single shooting sport that the better team is the one that uses more ammunition. Skill is using less paint to do the same thing. Call it what you want, but I dont call it strategy.

As Tom said...

Paintball has degraded into high speed checkers when it used to be "chess with finesse" - Tom Kaye

[punkncat]

Ya know Rogue, you are impossible!!!

Is it that you completely refuse to consider what I am saying? Or so damn stubborn that you refuse to concede any point that anyone other that yourself makes?

Paintball isn't about who used less paint, its about who wins the game.

Your magic one shot is complete horse**** in a tournament. Am I saying you can't get lucky? no.
But the fact is that if another team is using a strategy that involves and affords the use of a lot of paint to control the field and keep players in, when the hell are you going to take your magic ****ing shot? Never.
Just because they are shooting lots of paint, then they automatically nullify their skill? Cmon.
What if, like many teams, they really are good at what they do, even their snap shot, but they STILL can afford to shoot a lot?

The paintball you are using is no more round, no more accurate.
IF you can only shoot one, and they are shooting 10, they have 9 more chances than you to hit something....as I said IF you even have the opp. to poke your head out and take it.

I am not talking about the ball you are playing in your back yard or off by yourself with a bunch of open players. I am talking about skilled people using tactics designed for that type of play to keep the other team down and win.

Argh!!! I believe you have frustrated me to the point of near flamage and banstick!!!!!

:sticktongue:

[RogueFactor]

Paintball isn't about who used less paint, its about who wins the game.

Isnt all sport about being the best?

[punkncat]

Isnt all sport about being the best?

Lol, you smart guy.....

Last time I checked sports were about winning.

The best is open to much interpretation and opinion. Winning leaves much less to ponder. Look at the score, and voila. Some people tend to cloud the issue and confuse those who win to be the best. Those who discriminate know better.

[RogueFactor]

Last time I checked sports were about winning.

God if that were true, I wonder why they dont allow steroid use in the Olympics. Or corked bats in MLB. Or boxers to use drugs to numb their pain. Or...you get the point.

"Citius, Altius, Fortius"

[punkncat]

God if that were true, I wonder why they dont allow steroid use in the Olympics. Or corked bats in MLB. Or boxers to use drugs to numb their pain. Or...you get the point.

"Citius, Altius, Fortius"

You are clouding the issue with RULES designed to contribute to fair play with unfair advantage.

There is no rule that says you have to use more or less paint than the next guy...beyond limited paint, or stock class I suppose?...The manufacturers and distributors WANT you to use more paint.

Its undeniable man, you can spin it any way you like.....

[RogueFactor]

You are clouding the issue with RULES designed to contribute to fair play with unfair advantage.

There is no rule that says you have to use more or less paint than the next guy...beyond limited paint, or stock class I suppose?...The manufacturers and distributors WANT you to use more paint.

Its undeniable man, you can spin it any way you like.....

But MAN! Its about WINNING! (Or, maybe it isnt..and that was my point:clap::clap:)

[punkncat]

But MAN! Its about WINNING! (Or, maybe it isnt..and that was my point:clap::clap:)


:D
And my point was that in competative ball you can buy wins through using more paint.
Is it to say that you can no longer argue that point and conceed?

:cheers:

[RogueFactor]

:D
And my point was that in competative ball you can buy wins through using more paint.
Is it to say that you can no longer argue that point and conceed?

:cheers:

And my point was in a shooting sport, the guy who shoots less is the best.
Is it to say that you have nothing to refute this point and concede:nana:

[punkncat]

And my point was in a shooting sport, the guy who shoots less is the best.
Is it to say that you have nothing to refute this point and concede:nana:

I concede that you spelled concede correctly, but I refuse to concede that I lose due to the fact that you refuse to concede to the point that I am trying to get you to concede to.

:loser:

[FiXeL]

My point would be that it doesnt matter howmuch paint you shoot, or how skilled you are. The most important thing is having fun! If not, why the heck am i playing paintball?

[Cell]

:D
And my point was that in competitive ball you can buy wins through using more paint.
Is it to say that you can no longer argue that point and concede?

:cheers:

You cannot buy wins with more paint, that is absolutely absurd. Its so ridiculous I cant help but post again and give you a few no brainers.

Lets consider even the faintest of tactics here.

People are slower carrying more paint, and also have larger hit boxes
Their ability to spray paint has degraded, NOT ONLY, their ability to move but DESIRE to move. Sure they move, but of no secretism, of no finesse, and of no surprise. When someone is shooting paint, you know where they are on the field.

There are tactics to moving up bunkers when people are not looking, it happens. You score eliminations its an element of surprise. This happens!

I cant count the amounts of game that our team has won, but having the ability to know where every opponent is on the field because they cant stop shooting. They make it so easy , you don't even have to communicate, and they don't have the slightest idea when or where your going to move. And these are teams you say of equal skill. Hell I'm sure you would say they have more skill if you know they teams we have played and beat, you've heard of them I'm positive.

The "pros" of paintball are some of the least skilled players out there, trust me. Ive seen and played, they are the most dull and un-entertaining games to win or lose. Because they think that the amounts of paint that they are shooting is making them win.

No no no, the Bull**** shot you are referring to, you know the 1 that you shoot that hits the guy in the mask, thats not LUCK, the lucky shot is the ones the pros shoot the 1 out of 1000 that actually hits someone, thats god damn lucky.

But anyways this thread isn't about buying wins, I could go on about that.

[Cell]

My point would be that it doesnt matter howmuch paint you shoot, or how skilled you are. The most important thing is having fun! If not, why the heck am i playing paintball?

Well said, and I agree. Unfortunatly not everyone shares this view.

The reason to play paintball is to win, isnt it? And they can make it happen for you for as little as one case a paint a game!

[Ninjeff]

I concede that you spelled concede correctly, but I refuse to concede that I lose due to the fact that you refuse to concede to the point that I am trying to get you to concede to.

:loser:

Aaaaaaannnnnnddddd..........im dizzy.....lol.

[RogueFactor]

My point would be that it doesnt matter howmuch paint you shoot, or how skilled you are. The most important thing is having fun! If not, why the heck am i playing paintball?

Ok, now I concede. Fixel wins.:wthumpup:

[RogueFactor]

You cannnot buy wins with more paint, that is absolutely obsurd. Its so rediculious I cant help but post again and give you a few no brainers.

Lets consider even the faintest of tactics here.

People are slower carrying more paint, and also have larger hit boxes
Their ability to spray paint has degraded, NOT ONLY, their ability to move but DESIRE to move. Sure they move, but of no secretism, of no finese, and of no suprise. When someone is shooting paint, you know where they are on the field.

There are tactics to moving up bunkers when people are not looking, it happens. You score eliminations its an eliment of surprise. This happens!

I cant count the ammounts of game that our team has won, but haveing the abilty to know where every opponent is on the field because they cant stop shooting. They make it so easy , you dont even have to compumicate, and they dont have the slightest idea when or where your going to move. And these are teams you say of equal skill. Hell I'm sure you would say they have more skill if you know they teams we have played and beat, you've heard of them im positive.

The "pros" of paintball are some of the least skilled players out there, trust me. Ive seen and played, they are the most dull and unentertaining games to win or lose. Because they think that the ammounts of paint that they are shooting is makeing them win.

No no no, the Bull**** shot you are refering to, you know the 1 that you shoot that hits the guy in the mask, thats not LUCK, the lucky shot is the ones the pros shoot the 1 out of 1000 that actually hits someone, thats god damn lucky.

But anyways this thread isnt about buying wins, I could go on about that.

Ok, you gotta admit....Cell just laid some smackdown.:wthumpup:

[Ninjeff]

I dont know. I still think supresive fire has its place.

Still imagine if i COULD get one shot eliminations, AND shoot 15 bps.

Fastest. Wins. Ever.:happydance:

[tymcneer]

Moving to Fight Club in 3... 2... 1...

Actually, many points are well taken from this thread.

Fixel... Pros are PAID to do things, therefore fun is not a factor. You and I play for fun. Win or lose I'll continue playing.

Cell... I'm going to play devil's advocate, for a moment... Using the carpet bombing style of play, with a virtually unlimited amount of paint, you can make eliminations. Now that, that's over... Great points on basic tactics!

RougeFactor... talk about some interesting clarity pills... I want some! You have some very interesting points... Unfortunatley, punkncat has some also.

People have realized they CAN win with a bigger wallet. If you sling more paint, your theoretical chances of scoring an elimination go up. Of course there is NO finese involved in using a Wagner Power Painter to eliminate people. If you plan to shoot this much, why not use a paint thrower, and just inundate the field!

Train of thought just derailed... More later when I figure out what I was saying...

Ty

[punkncat]

Ok, you gotta admit....Cell just laid some smackdown.:wthumpup:

Oh yeah, I really got skizzooled on that one.

Lol, you guys believe what you want. There is no player anywhere as good as you crack shots. No one that shoots lots of paint has anything on you paintball snipers walking freely inbetween lanes of 15bps and picking off the other players at will.
Heck as a matter of fact, you guys have phase shift down to a science and don't have to even worry as you can be in the same space as a paintball at the same time, w/o being hit. You are sooo awesome that its amazing that anyone will even play with you.
Yall have Lee Harvey's magic paintball in your hopper and don't even have to go out on the field with more than one.
I bow down to your greatness.
Please go tell all the pros and successful am teams how you do it so we can conserve HPA much less all the little gelatins that have to give up their skin for paintballs to be made in the first place.

[RogueFactor]

RougeFactor... talk about some interesting clarity pills... I want some! You have some very interesting points... Unfortunatley, punkncat has some also.

Ty

Its not unfortunate. Punkcat is a smart dude, and his points make for good conversation. :wthumpup:

Please go tell all the pros and successful am teams how you do it so we can conserve HPA much less all the little gelatins that have to give up their skin for paintballs to be made in the first place.

I dont have to. The Pro's I talk to play pump(and thats all they play), they already know the style of play that require skill.

Oh wait....were you referring to the guys that the industry want you to think are Pro's? Yeah, youre probably right, there is no talking to them. They are blinded by the big money that their sponsors throw at them to get them to lay 15 bps lanes and convince Joe noobie thats what a pro does.

[punkncat]

Its not unfortunate. Punkcat is a smart dude, and his points make for good conversation. :wthumpup:


Yeah, contrary to what you may see in posts I really actually like Rogue. He will certainly keep you on your toes.

[punkncat]

Oh wait....were you referring to the guys that the industry want you to think are Pro's? Yeah, youre probably right, there is no talking to them. They are blinded by the big money that their sponsors throw at them to get them to lay 15 bps lanes and convince Joe noobie thats what a pro does.


Now you have come across a fact that both of us can agree on. There is no other explaination for that new Dynasty creature.