PSP limits paint use at their events

[RogueFactor]

...For the 2008 season, paint may be purchased onsite at each event from one of the PSP sponsors...While teams may still bring their own paint to the event, only sponsor-brand paint will be allowed.

So you can only use their sponsors paint. Ive never known paint to be cheaper at the event, I wonder if this will have a negative effect on teams enrolling in the tournament.

[snoopay700]

It would make things more fair, so that way the paint is all regulated. It's a good idea for fairness, but will still probably have a negative effect.

[Ninjeff]

wonder how the non-involved sponsers feel about this.

[TnDeathInc]

wow!

[MedicDVG]

Hmm.. Interesting.

Now all they have to do is limit the amount of paint a team can use for the event.. that would be REALLY interesting...

[punkncat]

Like as in, if you use the same brand of paint you can BYOP, or its FPO for the events?

Seems a bit unfair to those seeking paint sposorships from those other than PSP's preferred brand.

[mr doo doo]

oh, more rules eh? i wonder what is going to happen next...

[RogueFactor]

Now all they have to do is limit the amount of paint a team can use for the event.. that would be REALLY interesting...
Not really. The Pan Am used to be limited paint(now the XPSL?)

Seems a bit unfair to those seeking paint sposorships from those other than PSP's preferred brand.
Its a way for the PSP to get more sponsors.:evillaugh:

[Cold Steel]

This move by the PSP will keep those paint companies that want the paint sells but refuse to support the vehicle driving their paint sells from pulling the same BS they did in 2007. The PSP has made claims that they've reduced the cost of being a PSP paint sponsor in an effort to meet some of the moochers halfway. For the moochers, guess its time to crap or get off the pot.

Good move on the PSP's part in my opinion.
CS

[Ninjeff]

now if they would only make it semi only with no fancy pants fire modes.....

[Army]

now if they would only make it semi only with no fancy pants fire modes.....

OMFG! That would negate the awesomeness that is the RT effect!!

Still cracks me up, that that rule is still in force in these days of accepted ramping and wiping.:wall:

[Ninjeff]

OMFG! That would negate the awesomeness that is the RT effect!!

Still cracks me up, that that rule is still in force in these days of accepted ramping and wiping.:wall:

LOL. Yea, i suppose it would. As nifty as the RT effect can be, i think that semi only shooting would be nice as it adds personal talent to the mix. Be more interesting too.

[bryceeden]

The PSP is trying to get more sponsors, it'll probably work but its pretty underhanded.

[RogueFactor]

The PSP is trying to get more sponsors, it'll probably work but its pretty underhanded.

Hey Bryce! Glad to see you back!!!

These things tend to backfire. Im anxious to see how the customer/tourny player reacts.

[bryceeden]

Hey Bryce! Glad to see you back!!!

These things tend to backfire. Im anxious to see how the customer/tourny player reacts.

I've been busy at work, bu I'm back for a little while anyway.

The PSP is big enough and paint manufacturers stressed enough that I don't know if they'll have any choice but to sponsor the PSP. They can't afford not to anymore.

[Cold Steel]

The PSP is trying to get more sponsors, it'll probably work but its pretty underhanded.

How so? Why should Zap get the same privaleges as Procaps or Kee if they won't support the league? Why should the PSP tolerate Zap promoting/selling their products off-site to avoid the fees associated with vending at the event. To me it just speaks volumes of how low companies like Zap will stoop. Zap/Archon tried a similiar tactic with the CFOA. They were told they could be at CFOA events legitimately or not at all. They chose not at all.

CS

[bryceeden]

And to some point I can see that, but banning paint from someone who doesn't sponsor the leage is going to far. Vendor fees are understandable and reasonable, however the PSP has gone too far.

[Cold Steel]

And to some point I can see that, but banning paint from someone who doesn't sponsor the leage is going to far. Vendor fees are understandable and reasonable, however the PSP has gone too far.

Put yourself in their place.

You run an event.
You invite the entire industry to take part.
You actually get some key companies within the industry to support your event.
Some jack-leg that you invited to be part of your event, but they declined, takes the liberty to set up shop across the road from your event and push similiar products as the people who took the time and spent the money to support your event. All of this, to take advantage of your event's clientele.

How does the actions of companies like Zap properly service their customers? Zap's actions have expressed to their customers that they are indeed second class citizens. The type who should have to go off-site to get Zap products instead of simply showing up at the paint truck area on-site like the customers for Kee, Procaps, etc...You can't use a hand-truck to get your paint, you need a PICKUP truck.

Now, having put yourself in their shoes, what would you do?
CS

[Zeroack]

Hmm.. Interesting.

Now all they have to do is limit the amount of paint a team can use for the event.. that would be REALLY interesting...


That's what what I was hoping this post was about when I saw it.

X amount of cases per game.

Zero

[Iggy42]

Keep in mind through that they also want the game spectator friendly and lets face it to the uninformed sitting at home that sees it on Fox or ESPN all that paint flying from the rampers is ooohhhh aaaahhhh stuff. Granted I am from the school of thought that I can shoot just as fast (personal record in semi was on a timmy with 18bps) without ramping, but it makes for good TV and when it comes to bottom lines TV revenues are what is going to get the sport going positive again. It has been my experiance when working at a local store was that when the World Cup got aired on OLN (now Versus) for the first time we got a pretty good increase in business. May have been a fluke I don't know but it sure made my old boss happy, then he got stupid and fired me for something I didn't do when I was about to buy part of his business that he wanted to sell and I ended up working for the Discovery Channel



But on a side note the no RT stuff in todays game is just silly and I don't even have a mag

[Spider]

Does PSP sponsor more than one brand per tourney, or season?

[manike]

I've been busy at work, bu I'm back for a little while anyway.

The PSP is big enough and paint manufacturers stressed enough that I don't know if they'll have any choice but to sponsor the PSP. They can't afford not to anymore.

Interesting.

What do you think the paint companies get for sponsoring the events? Apart from a lighter wallet of course. :)

Can anyone tell me what each of the top 10 teams shoot? Does it come easily to you? Or do you have to go and look it up... and I meant paint not guns... most people immediately think guns!

Do you care what the top guys shoot? Does it influence your purchasing decisions?

Can you do the same with guns? goggles? loaders?

I'm really curious because considering what the paint guys pay to sponsor a league, it's hard to see the value some times.

Now tell me what happens to the NPPL or the PSP if none of the paint manufacturers see a value in sponsoring the leagues anymore. :slap:

And then leading on from that... would that be a good or bad thing for the industry?... What if the money from sponsoring the leagues was plowed back into the grass roots?

Lots to think about. Times are tough. Paintball is not the cash cow it once was. If there isn't an ROI, people start looking for different options.

[bryceeden]

Interesting.

What do you think the paint companies get for sponsoring the events? Apart from a lighter wallet of course. :)



Thats about it. Thats the thing, there is really no reason for paint manufacturers to sponsor a league and now the PSP is strong arming them into spending even more of the little money they have just to be able to maintain the sales they do make. The PSP allows ramping, ramping=lots of paint shot=money for the manufacturer. This really puts the manufacturer in a position where they don't have any choice but to sponsor the PSP and take that hit as they can't afford to loose those sales.

[AGDRetro]

Awesome. Over-priced event only paint... hey it only helped the IAO:wall:

[Cold Steel]

Thats about it. Thats the thing, there is really no reason for paint manufacturers to sponsor a league and now the PSP is strong arming them into spending even more of the little money they have just to be able to maintain the sales they do make. The PSP allows ramping, ramping=lots of paint shot=money for the manufacturer. This really puts the manufacturer in a position where they don't have any choice but to sponsor the PSP and take that hit as they can't afford to loose those sales.

Well if there's so much money in all that paint those ramping guns are shooting, then why does the PSP need to come up with a rule like this? If your logic is dead on, then it would seem that ALL of the paint manufacturers would be eager to put their vending fees on the table and make their share of that money. Guess that's not the case, hence we have the new rule.

The Zaps of the world now have two options, step in or step off.

CS

[bryceeden]

Well if there's so much money in all that paint those ramping guns are shooting, then why does the PSP need to come up with a rule like this? If your logic is dead on, then it would seem that ALL of the paint manufacturers would be eager to put their vending fees on the table and make their share of that money. Guess that's not the case, hence we have the new rule.

The Zaps of the world now have two options, step in or step off.

CS

There is a big difference between paying a vending fee and sponsoring the event. I support vending fee enforcement but the sponsorship requirement is much different.

[Cold Steel]

There is a big difference between paying a vending fee and sponsoring the event. I support vending fee enforcement but the sponsorship requirement is much different.

Well if you're trying to vend squeegees in a 10 x 10 booth, I'm sure the vending costs are less. But if you're trying to sell 24 skids (a tractor trailer) of paint, then I'm sure the sponsorship requirements are different there too (as they should be).

CS