MaG valves

[MaG79]

I need more info on AGD valves

From what I've read so far I know that RT valves and X valves put out the same performance. The X is lighter than the RT because its made of aluminum.

Does anyone know the recharge time to a rt/x valve and a classic valve?

What makes the the rt/x valve recharge so fast?

Is there anyway to get the same performance out from an x on a classic?

I seen the Ans Phase 2 regs and other similer modified regs, Do they increase the recharge time on the classic valves?

[FiXeL]

RT/X valves can go up to 30+ cycles per second, provided you have a adjustible air system. You will need to up the pressure to 1000-1200 psi to get those rates.

The reason that these valves recharge so fast is that the first portion of air that is let in the airchamber is unregulated. After a certain amount of pressure, the regulator kicks in and tops the air chamber off to the desired pressure.

This is the classic valve:

http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/automag1.gif

And this the RT/X:
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/rtemag2_6fps.gif

Due to the design of the classic valve, you probably would get 12bps max out of it. Most aftermarket parts for tuning the valve don't do ****, besides the L10 upgrade.

[BigEvil]

I need more info on AGD valves

From what I've read so far I know that RT valves and X valves put out the same performance. The X is lighter than the RT because its made of aluminum.

Does anyone know the recharge time to a rt/x valve and a classic valve?

What makes the the rt/x valve recharge so fast?

The RT/X valve uses direct line pressure to recharge. The "classic" A.I.R. valve regulates the air down to about 400-500psi to recharge the dump chamber.

At the time, AGD stated that it could cycle 26+ times a second w/o noticible drop off. the "+" indicates over 26 bps because the equipment they used at the time could not go any higher than that. It is more realistically in the 30+ range.

Is there anyway to get the same performance out from an x on a classic?

I seen the Ans Phase 2 regs and other similer modified regs, Do they increase the recharge time on the classic valves?

That depends. It was stated by either TK or AGD somewhere that the classic valve could cycle in the 15 bps range, which is really more than enough.

99.99% of those aftermarket components are useless, and produced to inferior standards. Do not waste your money on them.

[MaG79]

So I need to upgrade my bottle reg to 1000 psi,

My bottle reg max out at 850 I belive. Who sell's a screw on bottle reg that does above 1000psi?

[Mann]

So I need to upgrade my bottle reg to 1000 psi,

My bottle reg max out at 850 I belive. Who sell's a screw on bottle reg that does above 1000psi?

nitroduck Ireg is a screw in preset. You can change the pistons to achieve whatever pressure you want.

[pontiac2m8]

Check out the below site. Alot of great information for those people who don't or are new to the Automag scene.

http://www.zakvetter.com/pages/paintballs/automag_info/automags_main.html

[MaG79]

cool site thanks

[pontiac2m8]

It helped me learn about mags without driving all the members in the forums crazy.

[Z-man]

From what I've read so far I know that RT valves and X valves put out the same performance.
Yep they do.
The X is lighter than the RT because its made of aluminum.
Yep
Does anyone know the recharge time to a rt/x valve and a classic valve?
Faster than you will EVER be able to fire. As mentioned the valve has fired paint as speeds up to 34-bps; a STOCK valve. If you really want a theoretical number to throw out, I would not be surprised if we could get the RT valve shooting paint into the mid 40-bps range.
What makes the the rt/x valve recharge so fast?
The design. Ok that is not really a good answer. I don't think I fully understand all of the facets but I agree with FiXeL and BigEvil that it is largely due to the air going straight from the tank to the reg on the marker. No step down, no middleman pneumatics.
Is there anyway to get the same performance out from an x on a classic?
Not that I know of currently.
I seen the Ans Phase 2 regs and other similer modified regs, Do they increase the recharge time on the classic valves?
I assume that when you said increase you meant decrease (i.e. makes the valve capable of cycling faster). My personal experience is far more limited in testing than the RT valve. I will say that having used a full ANS tweaked MiniMag that I used with both Co2 and HPA and while HPA was a great improvement, I did not observe much of a difference in my MiniMag vs any other A.I.R valved Mag.

Extra thoughts you didn't ask for.

I would like to add that you need to be honest about what you are looking for as well. Are you searching for:

- What you want to SAY the marker can fire? (e-peen; very important)
or
- What you actually want the marker to fire? (anything less and I feel like I am sissy girl! that kind of thing)

When configured properly for field play where one pull of the trigger yields 1 shot the RT and the Classic Valves are going to perform very similar when running HPA (I don't care what you say Co2 in the Classic Valve is not a great option).

What gives the RT/X valve its edge that can be well... exploited I guess would be the word, is the bounce described in the pages on my site linked above.

Z-mans described understanding of Rapid-Fire (http://www.zakvetter.com/pages/paintballs/automag_info/rapid-fire/what_is_rapidfire.html)

That kickback really helps squeeze out a few more bps and... if you desire, to give you just about what ramping gives you, only faster and slightly more controllable.

I won't lie, nothing is more fun than walking onto a field full of AGGlets and let them mock you till the game starts and then teach them proper respect (http://www.zakvetter.com/paintball_videos/23bps_rapidfire.mov).:machinegun: But it's more of a parlor trick because playing that way is expensive. Last time I did that all day I used up 4 cases of paint. So about 8,000 rounds and I recall I hit something like 30-40 people that day. You do the math.
:minigun:
That's something like 5 days of play crushed into 5 hours of crack-addict level adrenaline.... I gotta do it again some day but until then I think I'll keep the input pressure under 900psi.

[custar]

IIRC, part of the RT effect of the RT-derived valves also involves a bit of heating of the air in on/off and bump chamber areas. This adds to the faster recharge rate by using the expansion of the heated gas to kick the on/off pin down even faster.

custar